russo and steel chop job camaro copo

[RM Schimel]

I must be in that other one percent!!

[AutoInsane]

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Here is the bottom line. THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE THE QUALITY, CONDITION, ‘CORRECTNESS’, HISTORY, OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT A POTENTIAL AUTOMOBILE PURCHSE BELONGS 100% WITH THE BUYER.

Period.

To expect, that AFTER you buy, sell or trade in these cars someone else is responsible for your ignorance is just stupid. Seeking to place blame anywhere else, other than on yourself following a failure to clearly understand the obligations on BOTH sides of buying and selling is just lame. The simple fact is: No one is responsible for you – but you! Please do me the courtesy of not confusing me with someone other than just a fellow enthusiast that loves these cars and the camaraderie of the people who collect them. I am NOT the Mommy… I don’t wipe up after some baby dirties their diapers, I don’t burp, pat or wipe. Please, for the love of this hobby, stop all the whining. It is embarrassing…

Sound more like my syntax?

Drew

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Hummm... exactly why I will never buy a car at auction. It is not cheap to run a car through an auction and the auction company wants to take ZERO yes ZERO responsibility for what they are offering. All the profit with none of the accountability. It is embarassing....

[Chateau Slate 66]

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Hummm... exactly why I will never buy a car at auction. It is not cheap to run a car through an auction and the auction company wants to take ZERO yes ZERO responsibility for what they are offering. All the profit with none of the accountability. It is embarassing....

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It is true that the majority of the responsibility belongs with the buyer, but this statement is right on the money (pun intended) IMO.

[92646]

Reading Drew's response in his own words has opened my eyes.
Mark Sheppard

[ZL1#17]

WOW, I'm blown away with this:
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So here we are today. In a correcting marketplace, with old cars that were not built all that great in the first place, run hard and put away wet when new, then neglected, then ‘re-discovered’ as values rose to the level that enticed many to fall victim to the “dark side” and start doing all kinds of unscrupulous activities.

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How does one "fall victim" to the dark side?

and thanks for sharing this:

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Hey! Wake up! Those that are lost in some idealistic haze that the world is a wonderful place and everyone loves each other need to puff, puff, pass and then shut the hell up! The realities are that these old cars have endured many years of “lord only knows what” – bought, sold, traded, restored, etc. by “lord only knows who” and to think that ‘bad people – bad cars and bad things” do not happen is just simply naive.


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We all know that where there is BIG money that fraud surely follows. That is a no brainer. So does that make it O.K.? STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. The car in this thread had it's VIN swapped, and that is illegal. No one is whining that it's not numbers matching or has forged documents. THE VIN WAS CHANGED AND TO SAY THE BUYER HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND THIS OUT BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE CAR IS IRRESPONSIBLE.

[TXSS]

I totally agree with Drew. I don’t look to the auction house to protect me from myself. I am 100% responsible for the purchases I make, good and bad. Who spends COPO money for a car from a perfect stranger without checking the hidden vin……not me. That’s why I very seldom buy cars at live auctions. It’s just not a venue that lends itself to any serious amount of inspection. If I bid I bid with that matter factored in. You can learn more about a car on eBay than you can at alive auction. I’ve always kind of considered auctions a place to sell a car you don’t want to be highly scrutinized. I know that’s not always the case, but it is true.

[427king]

The problem is cars unlike real estate and other things dont have a 3 day right of recision, you cant tie one up for 2 months with a small deposit while you look for financing,inspect the house, do title searches, look for a better deal,or go on line and look for the SYC real estate site and ask questions about why the title says"telephone company easement". Car buying is almost always a spur of the moment thing that needs quick response and decision making[ebay auction, car at a show,or live car auction],potential buyers get the feeling of people looking over thier shoulder ready to take a risk which leads to alot of impulse and bad decision buying because people are afraid of "losing out" on a deal.If you get wound up in the frenzy ,yes you run the risk of making a bad choice. A perfect example was a local auction recently that was listed here for a supposed 67 ss chevelle out of an estate. The car had no title,was stuffed tight in a trailer and they wouldnt roll the car out,nothing matching,came with a "zl1" motor that was actually a tall deck painted silver,it was in a trailer where the doors couldnt be opened[who knows if a vin tag was even on the door jamb,much less an SS specific vin tag] yet it brought about 27K for a car needing resto.It was like a pirhanna feeding frenzy with people climbing on the car to look at it. When the doors are finally opened and there is no vin or a malibu vin,[or for that matter the car was a rebody] why should anyone give this bidder his money back????

[firstgenaddict]

I agree with Drew as well... If I get suckered on a deal it is my fault...
The point is if you don't have the expertise to know definatively what you are looking at or can not afford to lose the money you are spending then you have no business buying whatever it is you are buying whether it be a car, a house, or a piece of art.
I have lost out on a few REAL cars by taking my time to research them, however I have saved myself tens of thousands of dollars by flushing out some cobbed together crap as well.
I work hard for my money and I am not going to be pressured into buying any crap...
I also try my best to keep emotion out of it... falling in love with tangible items (hell with a woman for that matter) rarely brings out the most sane decisons.

[firstgenaddict]

Bottom line I guess is to assume that every car at an auction is crap unless otherwise shown not to be... instead of vise versa!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

A lot of what Drew said is correct, bidders need to do their homework or run the risk of a bad deal. However, that has got to be one of the most unprofessional responses I've ever read from someone in such a position.