russo and steel chop job camaro copo

[firstgenaddict]

The problem is lack of due diligence... the purchaser wants the car and lets emotions or greed get in the way of a sound decision.
Whatcha wanna bet he'll never make the same mistake again?

Seems to me that other than some hassle and not getting the car he wanted at a below market number he is not out very much (well besides opportunity costs if he is in fact a dealer).

[92646]

Is everybody talking about the silver COPO Camaro with blue interior that sits a little low?
Mark Sheppard

[Drew Alcazar]

I find it very interesting how much bickering, whining, pissing and moaning has now started to occur since the market for American ‘musclecars’ has worked through this inevitable correction.

Look, a couple of years ago, this sector of the collector car marketplace was like a really good “Frat” party. Everybody was getting drunk and laid… For those of us enthusiasts who have been long time collectors (since before the last party in the late 80’s) watching while cars that used to be parked behind barns to rot doubled and tripled in value was entertaining at times, others frustrating.

During this “party period” we saw cars which we had always wanted and had finally aspired to be able to afford have values rise so exponentially that many complained that collectable musclecars had gotten out of reach of ‘real’ enthusiasts.

Hey, that’s life. This value escalation resulted in many succumbing to the lowest common denominator: Greed. Lets be really honest with ourselves as collectors and realize these are 40+ year old cars. When they were new, they were never intended to last this long. They should have been dust by now… Not only were they built by union minorities following 6 pack lunches and a joint; we drove the living piss out of them! Hell, blown drivetrain components on the way home from the dealership was a common occurrence. Then, gas prices went sky high and nobody cared about these ‘guzzlers’ and the fact that we are still driving an automobile with a V8 (or even more) today was once thought to be insane.

So what does all this mean? Mostly it translates to a very rude awakening now that we have to clean up the empty beer bottles and try to find our wadded up shorts. When things were “going nuts” few cared to investigate numbers, castings, stampings, etc. Some got so caught up in the “moment” that they had no idea about things like “re-stamps” – “re-bodies” etc. or the very subtle but very important difference between words like: “numbers matching” vs “original numbers matching” vs “documented original numbers matching”. All three mean very different things to those of us who know better.

So here we are today. In a correcting marketplace, with old cars that were not built all that great in the first place, run hard and put away wet when new, then neglected, then ‘re-discovered’ as values rose to the level that enticed many to fall victim to the “dark side” and start doing all kinds of unscrupulous activities.

Hey! Wake up! Those that are lost in some idealistic haze that the world is a wonderful place and everyone loves each other need to puff, puff, pass and then shut the hell up! The realities are that these old cars have endured many years of “lord only knows what” – bought, sold, traded, restored, etc. by “lord only knows who” and to think that ‘bad people – bad cars and bad things” do not happen is just simply naive.

Here is the bottom line. THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE THE QUALITY, CONDITION, ‘CORRECTNESS’, HISTORY, OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT A POTENTIAL AUTOMOBILE PURCHSE BELONGS 100% WITH THE BUYER.

Period.

To expect, that AFTER you buy, sell or trade in these cars someone else is responsible for your ignorance is just stupid. Seeking to place blame anywhere else, other than on yourself following a failure to clearly understand the obligations on BOTH sides of buying and selling is just lame. The simple fact is: No one is responsible for you – but you! Please do me the courtesy of not confusing me with someone other than just a fellow enthusiast that loves these cars and the camaraderie of the people who collect them. I am NOT the Mommy… I don’t wipe up after some baby dirties their diapers, I don’t burp, pat or wipe. Please, for the love of this hobby, stop all the whining. It is embarrassing…

Sound more like my syntax?

Drew

[real-muscle-1]

I DO THINK THE SELLER OF THE CAMARO DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE RE-BODY, THIS CAMARO HAS BEEN SOLD LIKE THIS FOR SOME TIME NOW AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT PHYSICALLY DISCOVER THE PROBLEM AND WITH IN 24 HOURS,I AM SURE THA ALL CLASSIC CAR AUCTIONS CAN SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY AND HAVE A PRO LOOK @ ALL THE CARS AND INVESTIGATE THE ONES THAT LOOK FISHY, BECAUSE I CAN... I GUESS IF THE AUCTIONS OR COLLECTORS PAY ME I FOUND A NEW JOB.......PETE LIMA

[sYc]

Pete, first of all, how about taking the "caps lock" off!

Second, as others have said, with 100s of cars going though their auction, no way could they inspect even a small portion of the cars. And if they tried, how hard, and costly, would it be to find a real expert for every make and model crossing the block?

If the seller did not know it was a re-body, makes matters even harder for the auction houses to police things.

[real-muscle-1]

manhein auctions sells around 10,000 to 15,000 cars a day and they check all of them.......with the money a classic car auction makes they should have a pro like they have..............this is for you (((DREW!)) I WANT MY CHECK BACK!!

[RM Schimel]

Caveat emptor - Just ask Greg Brady!! Ones man’s expert is another man’s fool. Anyone can tell you what you want to hear for a price. We attorneys have been doing this since the beginning of time.

[427TJ]

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Caveat emptor - Just ask Greg Brady!!

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HA! That black '56 Chevy convert was cool!

[427king]

Isn't it a shame how 99% of the lawyers give the whole profession a bad name.

[Belair62]

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manhein auctions sells around 10,000 to 15,000 cars a day and they check all of them.......

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Yeah..they check and make sure they are able to roll.