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Old 02-10-2008, 12:22 AM
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I think the " ARTICLE " that was written made it clear that AMC would not or could not give a official permission ( wink wink ) but let the dealer do the dirty work and sent 30 401's to Randall. I'm sure AMC was watching. By 73 things were already changing ( comp ratio, HP, smog ). So that 401 thing was dead. 442, no where does it say they were ordered from AMC ( COPO ) type but Dealer installed. In any case pretty cool cars. Comparing a Buick to a Gremlin might be unfair. Perhaps a Vega would be better. Both had poor build quality.

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There's nothing clear about it at all - stating mentioning "official permission" implies a factory connection, when there probably was not any. Having a factory special in 1972 was not something that made any sense, and we know from Chevrolet's example that they pretty much got out of the Supercar business by 1971.
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Old 02-10-2008, 06:44 PM
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AMC mentioned Randall in their factory racing publication "Performance American Style" which I believe was published in 1972. I think that was about as close as Randall got to "official permission". Also having a "factory special" (if that's what it was)for AMC in 1972 made perfect sense as a year earlier they won the Trans Am championship (I think they did in 72 as well but without Donohue), they were heavily involved with Wally Booth and also Penske in NASCAR. So when the big three were winding down their hipo programs starting in 71, AMC was just getting a bit more serious from there efforts in the late sixties. Why was this? Remember, this was AMC, either they were running behind everyone else or were several years ahead in some cases (4x4 eagle, Grand Wagoneer ect.). In a few cases they had the right product at the right time but very few. Oh, one last thing, my brother ordered a brand new 73 Hornet hatchback with a 360, 727 Torque Flite and posi and it was a really fast ride and was just as safe as anything from the big three in those days. Structually the car was solid but what gave people the impression of poor build quality was the cheap all-plastic interiors AMC used. Coming from a family that had many AMCs, FoMoCo and GM products, GM and Ford were at the top in solid, nicely appointed interiors, Chrysler was a distant third and AMC was behind them IMHO.
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Old 02-10-2008, 11:37 PM
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Very true! AMC did have a horrible reputation for poor quality interior materials used.
I owned many 68 thru '70 AMX's and Javelin SST's. The headliners would separate, the vinyl from the foam backing, earlier headliners in '68 models would warp and shrink pulling away from edges. The vinyl dashes would peel up, the door armrests would peel and separate from their ABS plastic housing. The carpet knap would disintegrate due to heat and sun. The leather seat facings would dry out, pulling the thread stitching apart, causing the vinyl piping to go out of shape. Plastic seat shells and lower surround plastic side shells easily broke, because of poor engineering of the support mounts. It is endless!

I probably owned 12 1970 AMX's and 6 1970 Javelins. You could count on the same problems with every car!!!!!
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