#CE L88 427BBC long block value

[427king]

Add to that point that there were NO CE 3904351 engines and you really have a dilemma. They didnt start using the CE stamping until 68. 66 and 67 replacement factory motors were blank pad stamps.

[TimG]

Bottom line, like it or not, is that the engine casing in a car presented for judging must carry the correct casting for the year and application of the car. The casting date must be before the assembly date of the car. As I've said, they don't care if CE is on the pad or not. If NCRS wanted to provide some point break for a CE block with some dealer paperwork to verify its existence, that's fine. But right now, they don't. This is the judging system for all components of a Corvette from the jack to the windshield. The '68 L89 that Charley and I owned had a passenger side window that was two months after the build date of the car. The power window mechanism scratched the window and it was replaced under warranty. The window was penalized when I presented the car for Flight judging. No way should that have been allowed to judge without penalty, just like a replacement block. I don't believe that NCRS ever will allow anything close to full points for a CE block placed in a car that has the incorrect casting date and number. It's not Typical Factory Production (TFP). That's the guide. It's not a perfect system, but it is a good system that I like.

[rpoz11]

TimG wrote:
"the engine casing in a car presented for judging must carry the correct casting for the year and application of the car. The casting date must be before the assembly date of the car. As I've said, they don't care if CE is on the pad or not. If NCRS wanted to provide some point break for a CE block with some dealer paperwork to verify its existence, that's fine. But right now, they don't. This is the judging system for all components of a Corvette"

I STILL find it hard to believe that a natural order of preselection occurred back then!

And once again, you are basing this solely on NCRS judging, ONLY!
In the real time of what occured back in the day, this process should not match your judging approach!
Looks to me as if you need your NCRS boys to rethink this out.

I still think this goes back to what Chuck suggested:
That , for example, in 1969, a 512 Block was made throughout the Chevroelt run, then it is feasable to locate such a Block with this casting # and date code of casting around a particular car's build.
Pick any 512 Block casted prior to your build date, whether the MN code existed or an IT existed, then you are saying it's correct.

[ANDY M]

May I ask a question here for the purpose of clarification?
What would be the difference between an L72 long block and an L88 if both are stamped CE? Since we are talking about a long block, I assume that it is an assembled unit, 512 casting, and unless you break it down, no way to indentify the rotating asembly numbers. If you put 840 heads on it, would it then become an L72? The CE stamped motor in my Camaro has 990 heads on it. Does that make it an L88?
I have never been involved in judging anything, so I'm just curious.

[olredalert]

------Tim is telling you what standards one club judges to. NCRS has always said that this is their format. They have never wavered. Im not a big NCRS proponent but basicly they are saying "if you dont like our game, go play in another sandbox". The "natural order of preselection" didnt exist back then, but NCRS doesnt care. They judge to a standard, and they have somewhere around 40,000 members so someone must adhere to their standards of judging. Im trying to say in the nicest way possible, get over it!.........Bill S

[nuch_ss396]

Andy,

As you know, the L-88 had unique high domed pistons ( 12:1 I believe ),
I don't think those pistons would work with
the standard '840 heads unless we are talking early L-88.
I thought early L-88's used a differernt block than the
'512. I need to re-read this thread! I think I turned
left while it went to the right.

[427king]

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if you dont like our game, go play in another sandbox

[/ QUOTE ] You are exactly right. I will have to say though,the reason so many 67 roadsters are restamps is because owners know they cant get a top score unless they do so. My only problem is that if i had a real 435 that had the wrong motor ,id get out scored by a guy with an original 300HP car that had a correctly restamped 435 in it

[TimG]

I STILL find it hard to believe that a natural order of preselection occurred back then!

You're correct, it was a crude form of inventory, crude as it was, they didn't put an engine cast in 1968 in a Corvette that was built in 1967. I think that you'd agree that the parts of a car have to be built before the car was built and sold to a customer. That's what they look at, that's what they judge.

[rpoz11]

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I STILL find it hard to believe that a natural order of preselection occurred back then!

You're correct, it was a crude form of inventory, crude as it was,


"they didn't put an engine cast in 1968 in a Corvette that was built in 1967. I think that you'd agree that the parts of a car have to be built before the car was built and sold to a customer."

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"they didn't put an engine cast in 1968 in a Corvette that was built in 1967."
Unless it was under warranty and was replaced at the dealer in a following year.

So again, if it was damaged during and before delivery to the dealership by the factory, then you might possibly recieve one close enough or following the build date by the GM factory to support your Judging Book.

[lbnaz]

Hello, I just took a NOS crate L88 short block to a local machine shop to have a sanity check done on it and right out of the crate the crank was .001 under with std. bearings, the cam bolts were in finger tight, and the block needed decked. It would have launched had I installed it. Larry.