DANGER BE Careful Using Parts Washers

[68l30]

Thanks for the heads up.....This hits very close to home.Good luck...my thoughts and prayers are with you...

I work in a industry chock full of chemicals and can't stress enough the importance of MSDS sheets and proper training to go along with them....We're now starting to crack down on welding hazards..."Hex chrome" is another known cancer causing agent that is a by product of welding..esp TIG (tungston)..and other alloys...It aint safe out there....Wear a raincoat.

Steve

[Norm reynolds]

My God This is not good
I have been turning wenches since the early 60s Back then did not think twice about getting lacquer thinner brake clean 2+2 carb cleaner gasoline on my hands. I think we all did it some time in our lives did not think about what this stuff could do to us.
I think It was in the last 80s that I started to were gloves. I remember been made fun of by co worker Hey what do you think you are a brain surgeon. Now you see every one wearing them. Still There is no drought
That I have been exposed to these bad chemicals and wonder if I am now in my 50s will I have a problem. As the old saying does If we only knew back then what we know now.
Big business is always in for the money just look at the drug companies.
There are way to many drugs out there that can Kill you.
Needless to say This is a shame that Joe has pancreas cancer. It is not his fault.

[PeteLeathersac]

I feel sick to know this for Joe and his family's sake also pissed off at the Safety-Clean type groups!.

The only concern ever expressed by anyone regarding safety of these units has always been to make sure you were aware it was a fire hazard and you had the lead-melt self closing friggin' lid!!!.

I can't help but think back to my days on the bench and how besides cleaning parts every day, we'd all spend a few minutes before lunch and a good while at the end of the day cleaning your hands in this stuff before using the regular hand cleaner then on to the regular sink and water!.

I'm so sorry Joe and hope things go Ok from here on for you also want to thank you for posting this for all to see! .

~ Pete

[Keith Tedford]

Where I worked they used to have a booth with exhaust fans for the solvent tanks. Now the tanks are sitting in the open and you can drag a fan over to blow the fumes around the tool room for everyone else to breathe. At least there are gloves and masks available. Want to see something dangerous, check the MSDS sheets on Beryllium. Lead is 50-80 parts per million limit while for Beryllium it is about .002 parts per million. Breath the fumes or dust and you end up with berylliosis of the lungs. This element is used to toughen the copper in weld gun arms and other copper based parts. Very common in the auto industry. Like the guys laughing at the gloves, our guys weren't any better. We've had guys who spent years on surface and cylindrical grinders dying with cancer. A friend died just this past year and he was only about 58. Hard things to prove in specific cases, but statistics tell the true story. Elements of the same family usually cause the same problems in humans so I have been told eg. chlorine, fluorine, and bromine. In the past, when one has been found to be bad they just moved on to the next one until it was found out for what it is. It's a murky world this use of chemicals.

[Xplantdad]

Wow...this hits close to home for me. Right out of high school, I was working at an auto dealer in Anaheim...and since I was low man on the totem pole...I was "assigned" to wash all of the shop floors in the safety kleen solvent with a mop...then squeegee them dry. I, too, washed my hands in the solvent first...then with mechanics hand soap....when I was done working on cars.


Let us know how you are doing, Joe.

[396L35]

This is a very sad story and my prays are with you... When I started in the Printing Field I used to laugh at the older guys wearing gloves when we washed the blakets, plates, etc.. It took me a few years to see how these chemicals dried out my hands and when I started wearing gloves and it went away... Lets face it, our bodies are made up of cells that are like little sponges that absorb almost anything we touch... I have since moved on to another job in the Printing Field off the press and I still go out there and tell the new guys to were their gloves... I even were surgical gloves when I change my car oil, they are inexpensive to buy and they block out all the bad elements that will harm your body... Good luck to all of us, Mark

[Charley Lillard]

I spent 8 years as a mechanic on a farm working on trucks and tomato harvesters. We had a solvent tank big enough to put a driveshaft in that I washed parts daily with including washing my hands and arms. Lots of dry cracked hands. Yes if we only knew. I wish you luck.

[L34Pace]

Lord, me too 78 to 82 in a real old fashioned service station. Six days a week at $2.25 and a thirty minute lunch break. Boss would bring in lunch, no time for the lava and water. Stuck my arms into the parts cleaner up to my elbows and then picked up the sandwich. I wish us all luck

[SSJunkie68-69]

Joe I am very sorry to hear what you are going through and I hope and pray you will be able to beat this. It's a terrible situation that unfortunately has afflicted others as well.

I know a bit about this topic as it is one that I have been involved with since the early 90's. Up until that time people were not too concerned with solvent use and taking the necessary precautions to insure operator safety. These precautions include the use of gloves, and proper work clothes but also the use of respirators. All too often people were not properly told how to use the solvents and the parts washers or if they had been told, thought wearing the equivalent to a bio hazard safety suit was just total overkill. Unfortunately we are learning that it is required. There was an incident with an employee of a railroad company that used a solvent based parts washer with very little protection that caused severe brain tissue damage. Although the gentleman survived he was no longer able to function without around the clock medical assistance. His life and his family's was forever changed.

Back in 1993 President Clinton signed off on the Montreal Act. That basically told all branches of the government and armed forces that the time to use solvents was coming to an end and set a date in the future where they would not be allowed to be used at all. Even today, some 13+ years later solvents are still be used by the government but in a much smaller and greatly reduced level. Certain branches received exemptions that are slowly expiring but not at the time frame agreed to back in 1993.

Since 1990 I have been involved with a company that produces an alternative to solvents that uses a water based or aqueous cleaning solution. It is not my primary business but one that interests me because it was a way we could provide for a better and safer work enviroment for people who are involved with parts washing and degreasing engine parts as well as the paint prep and printing industries. Without getting into the technical aspects of it, basically water is used with other safe chemicals and is blended to produce a cleaning solution that out performs solvents and has a longer shelf life and does not produce the byproducts that solvent based cleaning products do. We have this formula protected. Initially it is more costly to use as you have to switch out the parts washers but over a period of time it does prove it's cost effectiveness. More importantly it is environmentally friendly and has been approved for use by the EPA thus meaning it will not cause any harm to the enviroment or to the operators using the equipment but they need to follow the proper safety procedures as per our MSDS instructions.

We have spent the last 14 years going to the various branches of the military telling our story and undergoing testing so that we can get the required approvals to market and sell the product for the various applications that we cover. We have tried to go to the private sector too but no one seems to be interested including the company named in the beginning of this thread. All they seem to care about is profit dollars where we are more concerned with Life Safety issues and making sure stories such as Joe's are avoided.

The chemistry is out there to prevent things like this. We have proven that and have the test results and approvals to support it. However these things take time to implement change and it takes a commitment from companies and government to see that the change is made. Since we have been doing this we have spent a considerable amount of time and capital to advance this but we are much like David in his battle with Goliath. Our main reason for doing this is to do what we can to make work environments safer for the people there and in doing so make some business.

Hearing stories like this illuminate the need to see that the change is carried out. We have done our best to do that with the resources we have. We have gone to Capital Hill to testify before Congressional Committees but things just don't move that fast. We spent over 5 years in testing at one facility alone. With the way the Armed Forces are set up, you need to get an approval from every branch. For instance, even though we have approval for use for the Army with their helicopters, that doesn't work for the Air Force, Navy, Air National Guard or Coast Guard for that matter. You need to go and start at the beginning with each branch if you want to do business with them. It's kind of crazy when you look at it but that's the way it goes.

Due to the seriousness of this thread as it is a life safety issue, I wanted to hold off on providing the name of the company I am affiliated with because I don't want it to come across in the wrong manner. Bill asked if there are alternatives to solvents out there and I know for a fact there are. If you wish to learn more about it please PM me and I can direct you to the proper channels. If, after reading this entry to the thread, this board would like to know the name and how to obtain the product I will be glad to post it for everyone to see.

Good luck to you Joe and hope things will turn out for you and your family as well as anyone else who has been exposed to solvents and are suffering ill health as a result.

Tom