69 X22 on ebay dealer installed 427...REAL?

[Kim_Howie]

When I found my 67 Yenko I put pictures of the trim tag the VIN# and the hidden vin # THAT'S how you show a REAL car.Kim Howie

[hvychev]

I personally think it is simple. The cars most of us are here celebrate are what we call supercars. Supercars by definition are dealer built hi-performance cars or non RPO hi-performance cars built by the factory for a specific dealer. Those cars MUST be converted BEFORE the time of sale when the car was NEW. At that time I am sure most of these cars were delivered with paperwork supporting why the original owner is paying more money than a new one with out the "upgrades" or modifications. Weather the paperwork survived with the car or is still at the dealership is a different story.

IMO a car that was bought at lets say Jones Chevrolet and brought over to Smith Chevrolet for an engine swap even a week later is simply just a day 2 car. But if someone walked into Jones Chevrolet and told the salesman, "I want a bad ass 427 Camaro" and they delivered him a dealer transplanted "427 Jones Camaro" then IMO it is a supercar by definition.

There are gray areas with this formula. What if the guy who walked into Jones Chevrolet told the salesperson he wanted that bad ass new 427 Camaro but they told him that they had to order the new motor so take delivery, drive it the way it is for a month, and come back to get it installed. But lets say they did the paperwork and charged him for the transplant AND it was on the paperwork at time of delivery. Gray area. What about some of the 69 ZL1's that were ordered by dealers that had to remove the motors and put 396's in them so the cars would sell? Those cars were sold as "new 396 Camaros". Very strange gray area.

I personally think the obscure dealer transplant cars are very cool. IF it were done prior to new car delivery. For example, I am a huge fan of a couple of dealerships local to me called Brigance Chevrolet and Fencl Tufo Chevrolet. If I had unlimited money and someone uncovered a prior to new car delivery with supporting paperwork dealer transplant car from one of those dealers I would pay as much if not more for it as a garden variety COPO car.

[Kim_Howie]

I Agree with you Frank. But it still boils down to paperwork. No matter what dealer. Kim

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
garden variety COPO car

[/ QUOTE ] I'll take the one that the General made.

[Mr70]

Me too.
Frank doesn't see things too clearly..

[Kim_Howie]

[Jeff H]

I've always found the "Supercar" label to be a gray description. Personally, I go with the factory installed drivetrain cars like the COPO 427's and the LT1 Novas. The dealer transplant(before delivery) are cool as heck cars, but not in the same class as the factory built cars IMO. A warranty replacement 427 for a 396 doesn't even fall into the supercar class because it was after the fact. A Motion converted car isn't nearly as cool as a Baldwin/Motion car. But this is only my point of view on the subject and I'm sure everyone has their own thoughts as well. But a 386 car converted to 427 after a blown engine is cooler than a 396 car with a replacement 396(unless it's an original L89 that was replaced by the factory).

[DirtyS]

Talked to pops tonight about his buddies Camaro. It was a '69 396/375 that they replaced under warranty, after a month or two, with a L72. So, unfortunately it wasn't sold as such. It does seem this may have been his buddies plan all along as dad says "There was nothing wrong with that engine." If you couldn't get it from the factory get it under warranty. (They didn't know about the COPO's unfortunately)

They did the same thing with another good friends '69 396/375 Nova.

Both of them claimed their engines used excessive amounts of oil.

While neither may be "real" cars, I'd love to find either.