1969 Trans Am Convert Clone

[supergonzo]

442w30 .........dude, I am looking at the Original Pontiac 1969 sales album literture(printed by Pontiac), there was a 400HO without ram air. Look at the image I posted.

Its getting kind of silly now, who cares anyway, they are basically the same engine, one with ram air and one without.

If you personally want to believe there was no 400HO engine in 1969. Well thats up to you. I'm done with this silly topic.

[442w30]

Hey, if you can't deal with a civil discussion, that's cool. You were the one who brought it back from the dead.

I am curious why you say "it's from the brochure, so it must be true!" when they obviously got the hp wrong.

Brochures are not a good source of accuracy.

If you look at 1969 GTOs, you'll see that all the 400HO cars are Ram Air cars. Look at documented production figures and you'll find the same thing.

[Steve_Hoog]

69 T/8 M.T. Ram Air-III or H.O.
further done
All V/8 400 exc, Ram Air or H.O.
then
69 F/8-T/8 Ram Air-III, IV or H.O.

F=Firebird T=Tempest (GTO)
8=V8

I also remember 69 GTO's coming through our dealership without Ram Air but having H.O.

This was on the paperwork from GM, unfortunately some one took that from my possession years ago.

The above GM published catalog should do it on the matter? Also note I had already posted this catalog page in this thread, the answers were before you all along.

[Steve_Hoog]

"further done" should be "further down"

This is a perfect example of why NOT to have tropical drinks in the back seat of a Pinto with Belair.

[Belair62]

[442w30]

Should do it on the matter? Not quite. Trying to gather evidence. Will be back, Watston!

[Jeff H]

I don't want to sound like a negative person here, but dealer brochures and parts catalog listings have no meaning to what actually happened. Look at the 1971 LS6 Chevelle engine option that is listed everywhere, but was never actually available. Also, the MN6 dual disc clutch for 69 Camaros, it was listed, but none were ever ordered or delivered. I think it will really come down to looking at original documentation and original engines to determine what the engines were called. What does PHS say and what does GM of Canada show for these engines?

[Steve_Hoog]

Jeff

Yes catalog's aren't the best reference. In this ones defense; the 1983 version from which this came, all of the non-serviced and discontinued parts had been long weeded out of this catalog. Anything left in this catalog at time of print, was close as it will get to good.

I so wish I still had my families dealership records for 69 sold cars, I studied them like the Bible until they left my possession in 91. 69 was my favorite year, and I had removed some of the records on 69 from storage. I can remember several things that were way off target from what is generally talked about, this H.O. thing was one of them. I wondered why these 69 GTO's had H.O. listed in the GM paperwork yet know one ever talked about it or referenced it.

I can remember street racing with my cousin Gary Hoog; who was old enough to drive at the time, in a 68 dark green Bird. I remember it so well because I was fascinated with the hood tach. 5 years old sitting on my knees watching the needle on the hood, was very impressionable. Later in life I had to ask him what year it was, he was stunned that I remembered the hole thing. And more surprised I remembered what kind of car, color, and the hood tach. As kids we used to fight over the plastic models that GM put out, king of the hill got the GTO's and Birds. So we did have a perspective of what the models were at an early age. Later when I was old enough to read and cared, I studied all of the internal paperwork deligently.

Some of it is still around in the old building, and I have plans to retrieve it. So I may be able to share some of it with you in the near future, for those Pontiac people interested.

Steve

[DaJudge]

Steve,
I just got off the phone with the receptionist 10 minutes ago at Ernie Miller Pontiac. I know some people here may not like my posts, but I have never lied to them and have always answered them or made posts to the best of my knowledge.

Why then when I asked the receptionist if you or your family owned the dealership did she said NO?

This hobby for the most part is made of hard working and honest people. Is your life that boring that you need to make up stories? What's your real deal?

[Pantera]

He only works at Ernie Miller now. They owned a small town dealer ship not Ernie Millers. He has showed me the pic of it.