Unsuspecting buyers with repro documents

[ZLP955]

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.
I respect your views, perhaps we can agree to disagree.

[MosportGreen66]

Originally Posted by ZLP955

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.
I respect your views, perhaps we can agree to disagree.

Tim, my position - I will never agree with any aspect of our hobby that cognitively or not perpetuates fraud. Period.

Dan

[x33rs]

Maybe we should just stick to collecting Pontiacs and Fords. At least Jim Mattison and Kevin Marti offer the real deal.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by x33rs

Maybe we should just stick to collecting Pontiacs and Fords. At least Jim Mattison and Kevin Marti offer the real deal.

For which we Pontiac enthusiast are very grateful.

K

[x33rs]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

For which we Pontiac enthusiast are very grateful.

K

Yes we are I have it for my bird and my mustang. As far as the Z goes, the data plate tells all, I don't necessarily need the paperwork to tell me what it is.
Technically the bird and mustang can also be deciphered and identified through the vin, and tags but....

[JayR]

Originally Posted by ZLP955

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.

Totally agree. I've been in this hobby for more than 45 years and have never agreed with reproduction documents. You don't need repro window stickers to interest people or generate discussion. The same content can be shown on a display sign or separate piece of paper without implying there is anything original or official about the information. Reproduction window stickers are bogus and frequently have made-up or incorrect information. Yes, they should be destroyed before a vehicle is put up for sale, but I doubt many are. Cars in the biggest North American auctions display bogus window stickers all the time. I have yet to see a repro window sticker displayed that contains the word 'reproduction' anywhere on the document, which can only leave the impression that it's original, and that's wrong. JMO.

Bob

[Big Block Bill]

[QUOTE=JayR;1401352]Totally agree. I've been in this hobby for more than 45 years and have never agreed with reproduction documents. You don't need repro window stickers to interest people or generate discussion. The same content can be shown on a display sign or separate piece of paper without implying there is anything original or official about the information. Reproduction window stickers are bogus and frequently have made-up or incorrect information. Yes, they should be destroyed before a vehicle is put up for sale, but I doubt many are. Cars in the biggest North American auctions display bogus window stickers all the time. I have yet to see a repro window sticker displayed that contains the word 'reproduction' anywhere on the document, which can only leave the impression that it's original, and that's wrong. JMO.

Bob[/QUOTE
I agree completely, BUT, it was my experience when I showed Corvettes, As stated in this post prior: There MUST be a Window Sticker attached to the car real or repro or points will be deducted at Bloomington Gold and NCRS judged events

Bill

[rsinor]

Bob[/QUOTE
There MUST be a Window Sticker attached to the car real or repro or points will be deducted at Bloomington Gold and NCRS judged events
Bill[/QUOTE]

Simply not true, NCRS does not allow a window sticker to be displayed unless it has been validated by their service, they assign no points to any paperwork and never have.

[fsc66]

They need to change the verbiage on their page advertising that Bloomington Gold requires a list of options, or their reproduction window sticker:

Window Sticker

Also called a Monroney Label, this is the sticker that is affixed to a new car when it is delivered to the consumer. A law was passed by Congress in 1958 requiring all automobile manufacturers to affix a price label to all new automobiles showing Manufacturers Suggested Retail Prices for a vehicle and all options installed at the factory. This law was proposed by Senator John Monroney, and was to begin with new 1959 models.

If your car is a show car, this informational piece is a must! Some car shows such as Bloomington Gold require you to have a list of options on the car. What better way than a reproduction of the window sticker? If you are ordering a reproduction window sticker, you must order the build sheet at the same time.

Here is the link to their page:
https://www.corvettemuseum.org/learn...ndow-stickers/

Paul

[rsinor]

Originally Posted by fsc66

They need to change the verbiage on their page advertising that Bloomington Gold requires a list of options, or their reproduction window sticker:

Window Sticker

Also called a Monroney Label, this is the sticker that is affixed to a new car when it is delivered to the consumer. A law was passed by Congress in 1958 requiring all automobile manufacturers to affix a price label to all new automobiles showing Manufacturers Suggested Retail Prices for a vehicle and all options installed at the factory. This law was proposed by Senator John Monroney, and was to begin with new 1959 models.

If your car is a show car, this informational piece is a must! Some car shows such as Bloomington Gold require you to have a list of options on the car. What better way than a reproduction of the window sticker? If you are ordering a reproduction window sticker, you must order the build sheet at the same time.

Here is the link to their page:
https://www.corvettemuseum.org/learn...ndow-stickers/

Paul

This link is to the National Corvette Museum who can reproduce the original window sticker and build sheet for every bowling green built Corvette they are not figments of the imagination but the real document reproduced. No different than Marti Report and PHS. Their is a difference when you create a document from the air rather than produce a document from actual historical records from the manufacturer.