69 RS COPO CANADA DOC'S

Hylton · #1 01-25-2010, 05:05 AM

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Was it a deal or not, that's the $137,000 question.

Well, we have to answer a few questions first.

1. Who were the previous owner(s)?
2. Who found the car?
3. Where did it come from?
4. How was it found?
5. Who restored it?
6. Who owned it after the restoration?

Answer these questions and the puzzle is solved. Who cares about the accolades. A CARS HISTORY NEVER LIES!
Also keep in mind, if it was to be judged by a real judge, would it end up at 700 pts. or a 1000 pts. That "small difference" can mean a PILE of money!

In other words, supply this info. and maybe the buyer got a deal or scammed.

Supply a VIN number and the real story will come out.....it always does.

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Good point. The car was restored by Matt Langford 6 years ago. Do a search here on the cars that this guy has been associated with and you'll quickly understand why it went so cheap.

talwell · #2 01-25-2010, 05:15 AM

Was this the car that sold? Note it was listed for sale at $250k:

Extremely rare RS CoPo Camaro. VIN 124379N640809. Fathom Green over Black interior. Documented by GM Canada twice, CoPo connection, Ontario owner's records and by the GM Technicians Guild. Immaculate condition in every respect. The best CoPo Camaro available anywhere. $250,000. This 1969 CoPo Camaro, ordered as a Central Office Production Option number 9561, was ordered by Chevrolet Dealer number 95517 - Chevy Yonge Ltd. of Toronto, Ontario, Canada and was shipped from the Norwood, Ohio Camaro plant on May 8, 1969. It was ordered with the extremely rare Z22 RS package that has been documented by GM of Canada on two separate occassions as well as by Edward Cunneen of the CoPo Connection, a historical society for these rare Camaros. This car was restored to a fastidious degree by Dave Mattina and Matt Langford of Ontario, Canada. Their sole business was the restoration of original condition, Canadian delivery Camaros. This car was highlighted by the GM Technicians Guild as part of the 2000 GM National Champions Award. GM has confirmed that this car is an RS CoPo. It was fitted with the L72 427 cid, 425 hp, 460 lb ft engine, M-22 "Rock Crusher" 4 speed transmission, 12 bolt posi-traction, heat treated gear rear end, Rally wheels, Rally Sport Package, spoilers and soft front bumper. Every significant number on the car matches the VIN and the GM supplied documentation. This car is for a serious muscle car collector who wants a unique CoPo Camaro. Only some of the Yenko cars are more sought after than a documented RS CoPo. In terms of condition, there may be none better anywhere. This car is fastidiously restored and in perfect, better than showroom condition.

http://www.vintageracingservices.com...amp;gallery=23

**markinnaples** · #3 01-25-2010, 05:50 AM

I am pretty sure that RS COPO was "Mountain Green" or whatever, not Fathom Green.

**Xplantdad** · #4 01-25-2010, 05:54 AM

Nope....it's the same car as the above post references...check the first pics in the link above...

Here's the card that was offered at the auction

**markinnaples** · #5 01-26-2010, 04:59 AM

My mistake, was looking at another Camaro RS.

firstgenaddict · #6 01-26-2010, 06:12 AM

wow congrats! Sometimes the stars align and a bargain is snapped up in front of the world...

**CamaroNOS** · #7 01-25-2010, 07:04 AM

Thanks for filling in the blanks with all that detail. It's exactly the car I suspected it was.

Well with those two names attached.....that is all I need to know. We up here in Ontario are very well versed in this car which is quote "fastidiously restored and in perfect, better than showroom condition."

To whoever bought it, GOOD LUCK.

AutoInsane · #8 01-25-2010, 07:09 AM

Hummm... I am glad I wasn't at the auction and had $138k in my pocket.... if it looks to good to be true....

Research, research, research

So the trick is you order GM of Canada documents on a wrecked car and build a 'new' car with 'documentation'. You would think the authorities would be a bit more interested in investigating cars like this....

talwell · #9 01-25-2010, 07:33 AM

In comparison to ZL1 #27 - this really was not a bad buy. Despite the reputation of the builders, the car as it stands is "technically" a RS COPO w. docs. ZL1 #27 is basically the same thing if this car has also been fabricated from the VIN and that car is "technically" a ZL1 and sold for about 50% of actual value. This COPO also sold for about 50% of actual value as well.

So here is the developing trend - if you have a car to sell with an unknown history or questionable authenticity then expect it to sell for about 50% of actual market value. Even at that price, I am sure it is still very profitable to produce one of these in demand very rare muscle cars.

69L89396 · #10 01-25-2010, 07:42 AM

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In comparison to ZL1 #27 - this really was not a bad buy. Despite the reputation of the builders, the car as it stands is "technically" a RS COPO w. docs. ZL1 #27 is basically the same thing if this car has also been fabricated from the VIN and that car is "technically" a ZL1 and sold for about 50% of actual value. This COPO also sold for about 50% of actual value as well.

So here is the developing trend - if you have a car to sell with an unknown history or questionable authenticity then expect it to sell for about 50% of actual market value. Even at that price, I am sure it is still very profitable to produce one of these in demand very rare muscle cars.

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the question is could you not build a "clone" for half the selling price? Then what are these docs worth?

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