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I have spoken to the person who has the original M22 and BE rear end from my car . I am trying to buy the parts but there is a person by the name of Doug Perry who is trying to buy them also . The person with the parts indicated he had heard from Mr. Perry today ... I also know the man I bought the car from was getting calls from Doug Perry last week when I had bought the car and told me yesterday he is still getting calls from him.... not sure why someone would want to buy parts for a car that he knows is sold to another person and that person is trying to buy them himself to put back in the car. I would think for the sake of the car he would back out and let me put this together ! ....

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I can only think of one reason why someone would do that and all I can say is that I don't like it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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I do not know that for sure PJ but that is the assumption most seem to have given the circumstances. However I don't want to get ahead of myself and want to give Mr. Perry the benfit of the doubt and hope he does the right thing and steps aside.. it may be a misunderstanding and he could be one heck of a guy and I hope he is .I don't know him so even though it is frustrating I don't want to assume he is some bad guy .. in the end I would like to think he is trying to help me but since it is apparent I am trying to put these parts back with the car I am not sure what to think . Maybe someone here knows Doug Perry ? "

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Inappropriate post.

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I think everyone needs to calm down about this deal because Doug is a member here and he should be giving the right to defend himself before you hang him or throw away the keys. He has known about this car for a while but never could track it down and he has been trying to buy these parts for some time as well. I am personal friends with Doug and he is a stand up guy that I trust. He told me about this car over the Summer and tracked it down to the area but could never close in on the car. He also placed ads in the local papers in the area if anyone knew the whereabouts of this car. So before you jump his As--ss give him a chance to talk. I just talked to Doug on the phone and he is away from a computer but he wanted me to post his phone number if anyone wants to talk about this situation. After the car was sold he stopped calling, hell maybe you should thank him for shaking this one loose. As for the parts, Doug has two 09A COPOs and I amagine these parts would have the same casting dates he is after for his cars??? 614-203-1272 Mark

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Lets stop assuming the worst and inappropriate name calling. Lets hope the rear and trans return home real soon.

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Like I said above I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt... I will call Doug tomorrow to discuss.

Thanks Mark

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Lets stop assuming the worst and inappropriate name calling. Lets hope the rear and trans return home real soon.

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I agree .. I would like to make this happen but I certainly don't want people getting called names or having negative assumptions to the quality of their character being posted.

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Van, congrats on the buy - great story and gut wrenching at best!

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Chevy Thunder, please call me tommorrow after 11 AM EST.614-203-1272. There is ALOT more to this story than you know, thank you Doug Perry. As for the armchair quarterbacks that have nothing better to do then HIDE behind your keyboards and call people names feel free to call me as well. Some people on this site need to get a life, instead they decide to always put their noses in other peoples bussiness and try to involve themselves in all the soap operas because they have nothing better to do. This is why some guys on this site will not show photos of their restorations or cars for they fear the IDIOT POLICE. I will not discuss this publicly because it is NONE of their DAMN business, but Chevy Thunder please call me. Thank you. Moderators I am sorry for my outburst, but I will not let someone bash me publicly.

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It sure seems like the OP doesn't assume you have a negative agenda:

"However I don't want to get ahead of myself and want to give Mr. Perry the benfit of the doubt and hope he does the right thing and steps aside.. it may be a misunderstanding and he could be one heck of a guy and I hope he is .I don't know him so even though it is frustrating I don't want to assume he is some bad guy .. in the end I would like to think he is trying to help me but since it is apparent I am trying to put these parts back with the car I am not sure what to think . Maybe someone here knows Doug Perry ? "

It is just a bit interesting that you are making calls about parts that go with the COPO. Not to speak for anyone else but I am sure the guys who posted the negative posts were being a bit reactionary.

Hopefully the original parts end up with the COPO!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Too much bad stuff in the world for a bunch of car guys to have issues about something silly!!

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Alot of us here know Doug, he is a friend to many long time members and a stand up guy. Maybe ChevyThunder will have additional comments after he talks to Doug, and I sure hope he does. He may just have a new good buddy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
Things have already been said that are not the case, maybe a little restraint is in order ?

Thanks Mike

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I will ask Rube to post the details on the rear and trans to clear up the possibilities and speculations.
IMHO, none of the parties involved have any ill intentions or malicious plans about the parts.

Here is what I know:
Rube had been trying to buy the car for at least the last ten years.

Doug called Rube on Monday night, which is when Rube told him to call back.

Doug had placed adds in the local papers for the past few months trying to locate this car.

Earlier this year Doug had tried to purchase the extra BE0708 rear that I have, which I got from Frank, for one of his cars.

Congratulations on the new toy Van. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Van, when you get a chance, give me a call. I would like to compare a few things on my car to yours. My COPO is 09A NOR111140 VIN#680415.

Talk to you later,
Eric

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Alot of us here know Doug, he is a friend to many long time members and a stand up guy. Maybe ChevyThunder will have additional comments after he talks to Doug, and I sure hope he does. He may just have a new good buddy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
Things have already been said that are not the case, maybe a little restraint is in order ?

Thanks Mike

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Well said Mike

Just got off the phone with Doug . We had a nice conversation , had a few laughs and life goes on . Doug sounds like he has some great cars and I enjoyed or talk. He would like to see these parts back with the orignal car as well.

I will try and re-unite the parts with this car.

Bottom line is this car stays with me . I did not buy it to flip it . I Have already started cleaning her up. However, if I ever sell it the owner of the M22 and BE rear end will get first dibs on the car at a price reflective of his contribution/efforts to reuniting these parts with the original car. Rube has been after this car for 10 years and just an FYI - I never knew this would play out the way it did. I was 20 min from the owners house to pick up the car when I discovered the original M22 and BE for this car existed. I was told that the BE was taken to a scrap yard two months earlier. After talking to Doug he had heard the same story.

It is tough when you buy a car and then talk to a guy who has been after the same car for ten years.. has sat in it , held the POP in his hand ... At one time Rube almost had a deal only to have the seller change his mind . Rube is a great guy and part of me wants to turn the car over to him but the other parts says , " you finally found the car you wanted" . So I find myself going back and forth in a quandary about what I should do but bottom line is I am going to keep the car . Still I feel for Rube . So the deal is the car is not for sale , because a few have asked... and if it ever gets sold I will make Rube a deal at below what the car is worth because I think that is the right thing to do. I do not see that happening anytime soon but whether it is 2 years from now or 50 he gets the first call. And if he passes it may or may not be fore sale publicly , and if it isn‘t , Rube will get another call down the road.

Sorry this thread got a little off track . Maybe I should have put some more thought into a few of my posts. Hopefully we can get back to following a story that has a happy ending , or I would like to think new begining, of a special car getting all it's parts back and being enjoyed like it was almost 40 years ago. I promise you guys I will do it justice

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Van it sounds like your up to speed on the history of your new car, hopefully you can come to an agreement on the parts, and I wish you all the luck with the resto. Mark https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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So is Rube or Doug one of the guys who was trying to buy it out from under you when you went to pick up the car ? Have you found out who was in the truck that took off when you showed up ?

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So is Rube or Doug one of the guys who was trying to buy it out from under you when you went to pick up the car ? Have you found out who was in the truck that took off when you showed up ?

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Not important anymore. The facts have been stated:
1) Van is keeping the car
2) Rube is keeping the parts
3) Doug was not involved with parking a trailer anywhere except in his shop.
End of story for now. Anything else is just idle gossip and serves no purpose. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

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So is Rube or Doug one of the guys who was trying to buy it out from under you when you went to pick up the car ? Have you found out who was in the truck that took off when you showed up ?

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This is a case of people being passionate about the cars they love .. I will leave it at that. Rube has the parts and looks like they will be back with the car they were born with .

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Fair enough. I guess I'm also guilty of being passionate about doing the right thing and when it looked like people were basically trying to steal the car out from under your nose it rubbed me the wrong way. Too many people these days have no regard at all for what's right and wrong when it comes to things like this. Glad it all worked out for the best.

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LETS BE HAPPY THAT A TRUE SUPER CAR WAS FOUND AND HOPE THE GUYS CAN WORK OUT THERE DIFFERENCES LATER IT MAKES FOR A GREAT STORY AND A GREAT CAR AND I AM SURE WE WILL ALL ENJOY THE PORGRESS AS THE CAR MOVES FROWARD IN THE RESTO PROCESS. AND THE NEW ONWER SAID IF HE EVER SELLS HE WILL GIVE THE OTHER GUY FIRST SHOT WAHT MORE CAN YOU ASK FROM A GUY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE PIC'S OF THE CLEAN UP. LETS NOT FORGET WE ARE ALL CAR GUYS AND WE SHOULD BE HELP FULL TO EACH OTHER WHEN WE CAN. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS HOBBY GREAT AND FUN

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Van, congrats on the COPO Camaro! A few years ago I had some luck of my own when I found a '70 LS6 Chevelle with only 17,000 original miles, POP, and later found the build sheet. Just like this car and mine, they are still out there!!

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You guys both have COPOs. Therefore, I hate you both equally. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Congrats as a find like this is the dream of many. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Its good that it worked out for you. I have been in your shoes and lost aka leaving at 10pm Wesnday night and driving straight to Roseville CA on a barnfind and loosing out in the last 2 hours.

I can understand and feel the funny feelings you have and had. Hopefully you can have a coctail or five and make good out of it like it sounds like you did.

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"Rube has the parts and looks like they will be back with the car they were born with ."

That will be a 'cause to celebrate'.

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Grats on the find! Post more pics when you get a chance https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Lucky me....I had the only "inappropriate post"? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Lucky me....I had the only "inappropriate post"? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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You rabble rouser, you! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Awesome story Van...congrats to you on a most excellent purchase and major kudo's to the owner for being a man of his word. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif
Good luck on bringing this piece of Chevrolet history back to life. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Great Deal...I missed it by a few days.A friend of mine knew of the car but didnt tell me about it till Sat. morning.Im happy a true Camaro Guy bought it...

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that is such a cool car and story. Hope you keep the trailer hitch and hook up a 60's motorcycle, and keep the visors and cb. how cool is that! color is great too.

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I Love barn find stories and all the other stuff going on makes for great drama. I just can't stand someone getting one out of my backyard, but it sounds like it is going to right guy! Congrats and if you need a resto let me know.
Cad

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I was 20 min from the owners house to pick up the car when I discovered the original M22 and BE for this car existed. I was told that the BE was taken to a scrap yard two months earlier.

[/ QUOTE ] Wonder why the rear and tranny got separated from the car?

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[/ QUOTE ] Wonder why the rear and tranny got separated from the car?

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I was told that the car became straight transportation before it was put away so they put a 3:55 in it and a M21 to make it more street friendly.That matches what is in the car now .

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Chevy Thunder, Great Find. Another Ohio COPO. Please keep us informed as the restoration takes place.

Mike

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Congrats Van...great you made it happen!.

Love how you own the top cars on my want list...the Copo plus your 935 and 962s!.
Copos may be on lots of guy's lists but most don't even know what a 962 is much less who the Kremer Bros are..

How'd your Dubai run in the BMW go?.
Simply amazing where diesel technology has reached in recent years..

Have you seen this clip before...who, where and what is it, a Lola?.
Poor animal and all but the driver hardly flinches or misses a beat!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGJ0f...eature=related

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

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Great find! Congrats!!!!!

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962, a Porsche, not a snowmobile! You drive that on the street?

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962, a Porsche, not a snowmobile! You drive that on the street?

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That is funny... my son is probably the youngest person to drive a 962 at 15 years of age and today he is in Montana riding a snow mobile for the first time.Hopefully the do drive the same https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Thanks Pete... here are a few pics of my 962.. that's my son in one of them at Infineon

Daytona 2007
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...5329267b_b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...7b4bc87a_b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...h_DSC03569.jpg

I just sold this one a few moths ago but since you like the Kremer Bros they built this one on a carbon composite tub.. these are at Daytona. This was a fully restored with all the updates.. water water turbo about 900 fully dialed up about 215 on the bank

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...2375641_oa.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...0-6086_IMG.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...2-_16-_014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...th_Pic3486.jpg

Back to the COPO .. I will definitley keep everyone posted . I am very excited about this car . My son wants to know his trade in value on his RS Z . I said to him " I love ya kid... you have never been short on ambition" he just looked at me like , " what the hell does that mean" ?

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Speaking of COPO Camaro's, here are a couple of strong-running regulars at Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ circa 1971.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7929/copocamaro2.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5960/copocamaro1.jpg

Pete

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Looks like one of the members on Team Camaro knows the past owners son and is nice enough to put me in contact with him .