FAKE W-31@Mecum

[tom M]

This is absolutely hilarious.
You bid 100k on a car and dont do basic research on what a w-31 is?

https://www.mecum.com/lots/561598/19...utlass-s-w-31/

[Bill Pritchard]

Fake because they were not available with a/c?

[rsinor]

How does a car become a AACA grand national champion if it is fake. Or was that misrepresentation also. Please explain how it was determined it was fake and what in fact is fake. Inquiring minds want to know, it was a decent looking car.

[JRC99]

I just did basic research on the W-31 and nothing's jumping out as wrong to me.

EDIT: I stand corrected.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Ouch my head hurts!!!

No W31 was built with AC, it’s one of the first tip offs.

Ryan W31

[Rsconv68]

Probably added during the restoration or just wasn’t a 31 car to begin with.

[1972convss454]

The announcers made mention of it being a W31 car with air. Like that was rare. lol

[tom M]

no ac and no power brakes with w-31 package
to change over to a/c would require a whole new firewall & vent system
would litearlly need to remove body from frame to make it work

this looks like a blue 4sp cutlass that sold on ebay back in 2012

[Stefano]

Originally Posted by tom M

no ac and no power brakes with w-31 package
to change over to a/c would require a whole new firewall & vent system
would litearlly need to remove body from frame to make it work

this looks like a blue 4sp cutlass that sold on ebay back in 2012

Tom, I am going to respectfully disagree on what it takes to change the firewall from non a/c to a/c on a GM "A" body in this case. The only panels needing removed are the inner wheel house on the passengers side and of course being able to cut and weld the firewall.

There is no "proof" at this point that this is not a real W-31 but someone would have needed to go to great lenghts to add factory correct A/C throughout. Think of adding A/C to a 1969 Z28. Sure it can be done, buy why go through the effort and the reason the factory didn't do it to begin with is that the "big" cam caused lack of vacuum.

However, I did not see any proof presented that this is indeed an authentic W-31?

The brake master clyinder and booster apprear to be reproductions based on the pics presented, but as mentioned power/vacuum opperated disk brakes would not be factory correct.

The radiator top plate is correct for a 3.91 geared car which would not be correct even in a standard Cutlass 4 speed with A/C although that is a bolt on item as well.

Oldsmobile POP's are generally a plastic card and do not verify options or W-31 status.

[tom M]

Originally Posted by Stefano

Tom, I am going to respectfully disagree on what it takes to change the firewall from non a/c to a/c on a GM "A" body in this case. The only panels needing removed are the inner wheel house on the passengers side and of course being able to cut and weld the firewall.

There is no "proof" at this point that this is not a real W-31 but someone would have needed to go to great lenghts to add factory correct A/C throughout. Think of adding A/C to a 1969 Z28. Sure it can be done, buy why go through the effort and the reason the factory didn't do it to begin with is that the "big" cam caused lack of vacuum.

However, I did not see any proof presented that this is indeed an authentic W-31?

The brake master clyinder and booster apprear to be reproductions based on the pics presented, but as mentioned power/vacuum opperated disk brakes would not be factory correct.

The radiator top plate is correct for a 3.91 geared car which would not be correct even in a standard Cutlass 4 speed with A/C although that is a bolt on item as well.

Oldsmobile POP's are generally a plastic card and do not verify options or W-31 status.

if you wanted a/c in a car like this you just get a vintage a/c kit.
you dont cut up a firewall to put a 60 year old a/c unit in a car.that's goofy.
and it would be extremely difficult to weld that firewall with the frender on.

no proof its not a real w-31? i don't see a broadcast card.
would you sell this car as a real w-31?