Musclecar Photographs mrays

[mrays]

This 67 Camaro SS convertible was advertised as a numbers matching L78 car with an M21. It sold for $56K.




This 67 Z/28 RS was the real deal according to it's trim tag. It was missing it's original engine and transmission. It was advertised as being listed in the 67 Z/28 registry.




This 68 Camaro RS/SS convertible was advertised as a numbers matching L78 that was documented with it's original window sticker.




This 69 Z/28 was an X33 car with a correct DZ block with a cross ram intake and fiberglass hood added. It sold for $70K.



This 69 Z/28 was an X77 car that was advertised as a numbers matching car. It supposedly also was a factory RS with the style trim group even though it was an X77 car according to the trim tag.



This 70 GS Stage 1 was advertised as a numbers matching and documented car. It had a 4 speed with A/C and was bid to $50K.



This 70 442 W-30 convertible was advertised as a numbers matching and documented car. It had a TH400 with A/C and sold for $93K.



This 69 Trans Am was advertised as a numbers matching RA III car with an M20 and 3.90 gears. It had 77K miles and was documented with a POP and by PHS. It sold for $91K.



This 69 Trans Am was advertised as a numbers matching RA III car with an M20 and 3.55 gears. It had 34K miles and had PHS documentation. It sold for $105K.



Nice 69 GTO Judge with a RA III. I don't have any info on this one.



This 69 GTO Judge with a RA III and a 4 speed had PHS documentation and was a no sale at $59K.



This 70 GTO Judge convertible was advertised as a numbers matching RA IV car with a TH400 that had PHS documentation and a POP. It was a no sale at Indy but sold at a later auction for $350K.




This 70 GTO convertible was advertised as a numbers matching 455 HO car with a TH400, A/C and Ram Air. It had PHS documentation and a build sheet. It sold for $85K.

[markinnaples]

That dark green '68 Camaro L78 is stunning, even in dark green.

[mrays]

This 63 Polara 500 convertible was documented by G.G. as an original 425 horse Max Wedge car with a TorqueFlite. It had a date correct drivetrain and was bid to $175K.




This 64 Dodge 440 Light Weight was sold new at Thompson Royal in Virginia Beach VA and was documented by G.G. as an original 425 horse Max Wedge car with a 4 speed. This car was originally Light Blue, but was repainted Gray at some point. It sold for $80K.




This is an original WO51 65 Coronet A990 Light Weight Hemi Super Stock. This car had a TorqueFlite and bid to $90K.




This 66 Hemi Charger was advertised as an unrestored car with 27K miles.



This 66 Hemi Coronet 500 with a TorqueFlite was sold new at Broadway in Denver CO. It was advertised as an unrestored car with 14K miles and was documented with 2 build sheets and it's certicard. It sold for $48K.



This 66 Hemi Coronet Deluxe Sedan was a 4 speed car in Day 2 trim and was documented by G.G. It sold for $75K.



This 67 Hemi Coronet 440 WO23 car is 1 of 16 cars with a 4 speed and was documented with it's build sheet and certicard. It was bid to $60K.



This 69 Hemi Road Runner was advertised as a numbers matching car with a 4 speed that was documented by G.G. It sold for $132.5K.




This 69 Hemi Super Bee was advertised as a numbers matching car with a TorqueFlite and STP rear. It was also a bench seat car with column shift. It was bid to $73K.




This 69 Road Runner was advertised as being documented by G.G. as an original A12 car with a 4 speed. It was missing it's original engine, but did have a build sheet. It sold for $82.5K.

[mrays]

This 70 Hemi Cuda was advertised as a numbers matching 4 speed car with a 3.54 rear and 2 build sheets. It was an original sheet metal car with 16K miles. It sold for $270K.



This 70 Challenger R/T convertible was advertised as a numbers matching 6 Pack car with a 4 speed and 3.54 rear. The Shaker was added when it was restored. It sold for $190K.



This 70 Hemi Superbird is known as "Money Bags" and was used as a getaway car in the Harrahs Casino heist in 1970. It is a numbers matching TorqueFlite car with a 3.55 rear and 29K miles. It is currently part of The Brothers Collection.



This 70 Hemi Superbird was part of the Lindsley Brothers Racing Team in the 70's. It is missing it's original block, but does have it's original 4 speed transmission and 4.10 rear. It was bid to $250K.




This 70 Hemi Superbird was advertised as a numbers matching 4 speed car with a 3.54 rear and 16K miles. It sold for $300K.




This 70 Cuda AAR was advertised as a numbers matching TorqueFlite car. It sold for $84K.



This 70 Cuda AAR was advertised as a numbers matching 4 speed car with a 3.91 rear. It sold for $120K.



This 71 Hemi Cuda was advertised as the Last Hemi Cuda and was a 4 speed car with a 4.10 rear. It had less than 24K miles and was unrestored with an older repaint. For the record the VIN is BS23R1B429180. It was bid to $425K.



This 71 Hemi Charger R/T was sold new at Mr. Norms in Chicago and was advertised as a numbers matching 4 speed car with a 4.10 rear. It was bid to $175K.

[DW31S]

Sure seems like an inordinate amount of "matching numbers" to me. Absolutely no reflection to the photographer who took the time to shoot and post the pics....a BIG THANK YOU for that, but I'm having trouble believing that all those high horse cars somehow escaped the street wars and drag strips "unharmed"? I know I'm a little skeptical.

[PeteLeathersac]

Best keep in mind that matching numbers means just that, the #'s match.
Sorry to say but in today's world, it has nothing to do with original engines...other than maybe trying to make someone think it does. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Personally I always consider matching #'s or &quot;restoration engine&quot; type phrases = restamp unless 'born with' or something specifically stating in plain English that it is THE original engine.
Same with trans, rear, distributor etc...#'s matching only means the same part/casting/stamping #'s but nothing more.
That all said, even claims of originality mean little anyway until verified by a trusted source.
The short form version of all this...guilty until proven innocent!

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~ Pete

[earntaz]

Pete -- totally agree ... &quot;born with&quot; is the key and there are not many ways you can sham those words. TAZ

[DW31S]

Good point Pete, I never looked at it that way. It is sad that the &quot;hobby&quot; has come to that, I know there are still some honorable people playing. Funny (not really) how money changes things. &quot;Oh what a web we weave.........&quot;

[mrays]

The majority of cars at this auction do not have an owner or representative present to talk to about the car so I just get my information from the auction description of the car which is written up by the consigner. Numbers matching no longer means born with original drivetrain like it used to. It simply means the drive train is correct for the car. Most of the write-ups mention factory documentation as well, but you rarely see even copies of that documentation displayed with the car. I try to only post photos of legit cars and not clones, but I am by no means an expert in determining whether or not a car is legit. I'm glad you're enjoying the photos, and if anyone knows that one of the cars I post a photo of is a clone speak up. You won't hurt my feelings.

[427TJ]

Keep the photos and info coming. One of my go-to threads when I check in here.