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Old 09-20-2022, 12:41 AM
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You guys know way more than I do but is this not true? Additionally, I know the truck is cool, a buddy has one, but, loaded up the range is reduced by something like 70%. All for tech, but when it is ready.
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I attended the Inaugural Detroit Concours d’Elegance this past weekend and attended the toney "Motor City Party" (Gala) the night before.

Initially we were treated to a one on one interview with Ed Wellburn and then later a panel discussion where senior automobile company officials from the Detroit three told us all how great EV's were. The response from the roughly 200 assembled guests in attendance was polite but tepid at best.
No questions were permitted from guests during the panel.

There were two cars on display at the party, the first the Cadiliac Cyclone (on the design turntable in the panel discussion room) which was very well received - and later at dinner (in a separate room) the brand new Cadillac LYRIQ.

Here is where it got interesting because the LYRIQ is a literal behemoth in person. I am talking like Hummer H2 proportions - and I observed correctly that while in the "strolling dinner" room we were participants in a grand marketing experiment (the psychological kind) - all put on by GM of course.

So we were the mice and the LYRIQ was the cheese.

Well,- we were all just assured how "great EV's were" minutes before, however interest in looking at the LYRIQ was just as restrained and tepid as the applause minutes earlier.

Very few people I observed showed any interest in the LYRIQ at all, and finally at the end of the evening one tipsy lady decided to actually sit in it and predictably two photographers appeared out of the corners of the room to take her picture (multiple times and literally from all angles) when she was sitting in it -treating her like she was a movie star.

The $300 dollar per ticket Motor City guests there were all older and certainly well qualified to buy the LYRIQ and therefore presumably this event would be sure to represent the EXACT buyer segment for the LYRIQ- yet these people showed little to no interest in it at all which I found fascinating to observe.

The next day at the Concours d’Elegance field the gM EV display contained the Hummer EV, the LYRIQ again and the the soon to be released Traverse, and the Blazer EV's.

Just like the LYRIQ these vehicles are simply HUGE and the styling looks forced as the dimensional stretch required to fit the look of the vehicle on to the center battery bay distorts the vehicle proportions to an extent to where the styling takes on a cartoonish appearance. Very few people at all at the gM EV display. By contrast the ICE Z06 and legacy GM vehicle display over on the museum side was MOBBED all day.

There is a lesson here: MARY are you listening??

REVERSE COURSE NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE and maintain your ICE production capability and offerings because you are going to have to - in order to stay in business.
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If you can imagine the amount of money that will be spent to make a wholesale change from ICE vehicles to EVs, especially in a relatively short timeframe, then think that there are wealthy investors who will make absolutely obscene amounts of money on the entire situation. Those are the people for which this push for EVs equation makes a lot of $en$e.
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An excellent non partisan video summary of where gM finds itself in 2023. Based upon the interview Mary gave I am no longer sure where the date definite "IS" pertaining to gM going "all electric".

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The normal approach is to dump the brand segments that are not selling well straight to the rental companies.

Still true today: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...tric-vehicles/
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What a disaster GM is in now, and is going to continue to be in. What a shame.
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Outright sickening what's become of the once strong/proud GM empire, Durant/Kettering/McLaughlin/Cole/Knudsen etc certainly can't be resting in peace w/ the blind leadership of recent years also sadder yet is what's to come.
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Alfred Sloan is surely rolling in his grave. The whole EV scenario, for Chevrolet at least, reminds me of the copper cooled engine fiasco that could have brought Chevrolet to its knee's back in 1923, fortunately they pulled out at the last minute much to Charles Kettering's chagrin. History has proven air cooled engines can work, but not in big cars most Americans enjoy driving.

Tesla and others have proven electric cars have their place too, it will be interesting to see where the market, infrastructure and technology takes us in the next 10-20 years. As a entry level(i.e. cheap) manufacturer I don't see why Chevrolet feels it must compete with Tesla, but I'm no Alfred Sloan, unfortunately for GM I don't think Mary Barra is either.
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