Unsuspecting buyers with repro documents

[StealthBird]

I have a couple original 1969 Pontiac blanks, with the carbon paper and backing intact, along with the perforated ears from the tractor feed paper.

The Zone Office, as well as dealerships, were not as careful about accuracy as we would expect. When a window sticker was supposed to be reprinted, they used the punched card to feed the printer. I think occasionally they couldn't locate the card so they simply stuck a window sticker blank into a typewriter and called it a day. The typewriter versions I've seen are usually pretty accurate and follow the formatting for that particular plant.

Aside from typos on factory window stickers, I also have a few other examples where there are handwritten notes (dated) stating that the window sticker was reprinted for a specific reason. One was for a billing error, another was for a transmission change. Some dealers bent over backwards to make the sale, and if some guy wanted a Lucerne Blue 1971 GTO that was on the lot, and he wanted it today, but the deal breaker was that it had Rally II Wheels instead of Honeycomb Wheels, a salesman would locate another vehicle on the lot with Honeycombs and have them swapped out. Anything to make a sale. I believe in those cases the dealership may type up their own window sticker to reflect the change.

Mike

[firstgenaddict]

Request a new one from Zone leads one to believe there is a data set with the VIN numbers corresponding to the option list for said VIN.

[ZLP955]

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.
I respect your views, perhaps we can agree to disagree.

[MosportGreen66]

Originally Posted by ZLP955

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.
I respect your views, perhaps we can agree to disagree.

Tim, my position - I will never agree with any aspect of our hobby that cognitively or not perpetuates fraud. Period.

Dan

[x33rs]

Maybe we should just stick to collecting Pontiacs and Fords. At least Jim Mattison and Kevin Marti offer the real deal.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by x33rs

Maybe we should just stick to collecting Pontiacs and Fords. At least Jim Mattison and Kevin Marti offer the real deal.

For which we Pontiac enthusiast are very grateful.

K

[x33rs]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

For which we Pontiac enthusiast are very grateful.

K

Yes we are I have it for my bird and my mustang. As far as the Z goes, the data plate tells all, I don't necessarily need the paperwork to tell me what it is.
Technically the bird and mustang can also be deciphered and identified through the vin, and tags but....

[JayR]

Originally Posted by ZLP955

^ Or better, in my opinion, not exist at all.

Totally agree. I've been in this hobby for more than 45 years and have never agreed with reproduction documents. You don't need repro window stickers to interest people or generate discussion. The same content can be shown on a display sign or separate piece of paper without implying there is anything original or official about the information. Reproduction window stickers are bogus and frequently have made-up or incorrect information. Yes, they should be destroyed before a vehicle is put up for sale, but I doubt many are. Cars in the biggest North American auctions display bogus window stickers all the time. I have yet to see a repro window sticker displayed that contains the word 'reproduction' anywhere on the document, which can only leave the impression that it's original, and that's wrong. JMO.

Bob

[Big Block Bill]

[QUOTE=JayR;1401352]Totally agree. I've been in this hobby for more than 45 years and have never agreed with reproduction documents. You don't need repro window stickers to interest people or generate discussion. The same content can be shown on a display sign or separate piece of paper without implying there is anything original or official about the information. Reproduction window stickers are bogus and frequently have made-up or incorrect information. Yes, they should be destroyed before a vehicle is put up for sale, but I doubt many are. Cars in the biggest North American auctions display bogus window stickers all the time. I have yet to see a repro window sticker displayed that contains the word 'reproduction' anywhere on the document, which can only leave the impression that it's original, and that's wrong. JMO.

Bob[/QUOTE
I agree completely, BUT, it was my experience when I showed Corvettes, As stated in this post prior: There MUST be a Window Sticker attached to the car real or repro or points will be deducted at Bloomington Gold and NCRS judged events

Bill

[rsinor]

Bob[/QUOTE
There MUST be a Window Sticker attached to the car real or repro or points will be deducted at Bloomington Gold and NCRS judged events
Bill[/QUOTE]

Simply not true, NCRS does not allow a window sticker to be displayed unless it has been validated by their service, they assign no points to any paperwork and never have.