70-71 CAMARO BB 4SPD

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I recall reading the post about the SS cars and them having stripes too. There was one guy who had a trim tag with the
Z27 code followed by a stripe code as well. I don't remember what the final outcome of that topic was, as far as it being authentic or not.
On the L78 TH-400 topic, I don't know a lot about these cars, and haven't really seen very many of them either. My only question is why wouldn't they offer the TH-400 in an L78 Camaro given that they did have it in other cars with that engine as well as the 454's?

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The final outcome is there never is a final outcome. Certain individuals post claims and after a 4-5 page thread it is never proven. Request are ignored and so on and so on.

There are certain people who feel that their word is gospel and nothing else needs to be proven. They said it's true so it must be.

I just don't see why it so friggin difficult to allow people to verify the car and it's alleged paperwork.

Unless it can be proven I myself stand by the understanding that there were NO 1970 L78/M 40's built. Also the stripe issue was never proven either. Show me the trim tag and supporting documentation and then I might change my mind.

Have a nice day.

Rick H.

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Rick,

In reality I have looked at several striped SS cars over the years and two of them were L-78's. Some where the owner stated the "dealer had added the stripes" and some who claimed the stripes were applied by the factory. In the Nasty Z thread I commented several times (as you can see) on the SS cars with stripes were surfacing at that time.

I am simply keeping an open mind as to what could be out there. All the information to date says no stripes on an SS... So why do these cars keep popping up? I cannot think of a reason someone would repop a tag with a code that everyone in the'70-72 Camaro corner would question right from the start as being "wrong".

The same can be said with the L-78 auto car - hell who knows and who really cares?

The proper time to be critical of this car will be when and if it ever comes to market. Current owner seems happy with his car now- as it is not for sale.

Oh yea - one more thing on this recent (in context) quote from you reproduced again below:

"The final outcome is there never is a final outcome. Certain individuals post claims and after a 4-5 page thread it is never proven. Request are ignored and so on and so on."

"There are certain people who feel that their word is gospel and nothing else needs to be proven. They said it's true so it must be."



I posted quite a bit in that thread that you were commenting on... hmmm... Now you have me wondering-were you writing an opinion on me?

Phil

[Rick H]

What's that saying?? Paranoia runs deep..

To answer your last question Phil, No.

Rick H.

p.s. Let me ask this. Can anyone produce a 1970 Camaro SS, unrestored, original paint with factory stripes? With supporting documentation of course.

[Jeff H]

There are quite a few combinations that Chevy said they never built or offered that have popped up in recent years. So it would not surprise me if this L78/M40 turns out to be the real thing. And if it would benefit racers then I would think lots of people would like to see the proof behind this car. I can't say why the owner isn't more willing to share this information but hopefully some day he will change his mind.

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Rick,

Thanks I feel better already!

Perhaps one day I will get a '70 SS....

Phil

[njsteve]

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p.s. Let me ask this. Can anyone produce a 1970 Camaro SS, unrestored, original paint with factory stripes? With supporting documentation of course.

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and if they do, can I buy it?

[MagicRatt]

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Reading the whole thread you would see that there is rumor of a buildsheet with the car in question that supports the M40 option so the tranny swap theory wouldn't apply.






Rick H.

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Rumor of a build sheet? Has anyone ever seen the build sheet with the M-40 code to squash the tranny swap theory??

Rich

[Charley Lillard]

Yes..At least 2 members of the Sacramento Camaro club have seen the build sheet.

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I had some time this Morning and took another look through the files and found this memo. While dated for mid '69 it does provide insight into engine carryover to '70.

The complicating issue with the memo and our topic is the Continuation of the '69 body well into '70 with Chevy calling it a '70 and then followed later by the "real" Chevrolet rollout of the new '70 Camaro in February.


Notabily both Colvin and Hooper agree on M-40 as an option on L-78 as follows:

Hooper in his book "The Illustrated Camaro Recogintion Guide 1970-1973" first on page 63 listing "CJL"- and later on page 129 - "Manual or automatic Transmission was available in any SS Camaro".

Also Colvin in his book "1970-75 Chevrolet by the numbers" (on page 58) actually lists two seperate three letter codes for L-78 Camaro and TH in 1970. CJL and CTY. Colvin however does not discuss the carryover engine issue which could mean that when the CJL carryover engines were all used then CTY could have been the later (post) February '70 Camaro L-78/M-40 engine.

Time will tell

Phil

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Did we ever come to a conclusion on why GM Over Bored the 396 in 1970?

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Did we ever come to a conclusion on why GM Over Bored the 396 in 1970?

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I recall it had something to do with emmissions.