Barrett-Jackson at Palm Beach......

[Belair62]

They are just buying what they like...its not about the money for them...or return on investment !!!

[Charley Lillard]

An example of why they do not do their homework......At the Scottsdale auction a poorly done 67 Shelby GT500 sold for about 260K. We all comment on what a idiot the buyer is. My Friend calls me and asks if I recognized the buyer. "Nope". He says "Ted Waite". Still means nothing to me. He then explains the Ted owns Gateway Computers. If he is such an idiot like we were all saying then why does he have enough dough to to buy that Shelby like it was a pack of gum ? I wanna be a idiot like Ted...

[Racefan]

I understand what both Belair and Charley are saying. But, lets put it in smaller terms that I can relate to. I need a new fuel pump. I look in a local speed shop and find some of brand that has no reliability history, but looks just like (or maybe it has shinier chrome) a Holley that I saw in some catalog. They both cost the same.....even though it is a "drop in the bucket" to me, why would I not go after what I know rather than take a chance for the same money? I am not talking about for resale, but face it. Someday, all of our children are going to have our toys. In most cases, they aren't going to be on this site extolling the virtues of these cars, like we do. Even if we keep our cars till we die, SOMEONE we love is going to SOMEDAY sell our cars. None of us wants to make a bad investment, we all want the most for our money. These people don't get rich by making bad investments.....it is just strange to me.

[Belair62]

But they don't go broke by making a car purchase either.All it is is a toy to him probably....not an investment...he probably liked the color...it was on TV...etc...

[Racefan]

One other thought comes to mind, you're right, they don't go broke buying these types of cars. But, we who love them (and I wold love to have one) can't afford them. People with more money than God come in and snatch cars up at ridiculous prices making the market values shoot up. That makes it even more difficult for someone like me to get one. I have to resort to trampling through farmer's ditches searching cars out. I am not trying to make "class warfare" or anything....just an observation. It is in many respects good for the hobby to have these types involved, but it also hurts the availibility of the cars in a lot of ways too. Forgive me for this, but it is kind of the same situation as Nextel Cup drivers racing in Busch series events. It is good because it puts butts in the seats, but it is bad because it takes opportuities away from those who are working hard every week to get a win. These are just random thoughts, but do they make sense?

[Pantera]

When it comes to racing there is one old wise saying that comes to mind.

When the Green Flag drops, The B.S. stops!!!!


In fact no mater what you are involved in? It still apply's.

[gemleeus]

on that subject, i also find all this hard to comprehend, but take it as it comes. nothing you can do but accept what you see going on. all this has generated prices on these cars that regular buyers and sellers are not used to seeing. the cars that come to mind, ie: yenko's, copo's, convertibal muscle, rare optioned cars etc. i'm not saying these vehicles don't deserve this, my feelings there are people in this hobby, market, what ever you want to call it, that have no business being in it. i know i'm jealous over the whole thing, but i do feel thats the situation. o.k. thats enough from me about this subject, there has been SO much discussion on this forum concerning this that i will not enter into another thread about this, not mad or anything ( like anyone really cares) i just feel i have spoke my piece over the last several months since joining this fine forum. i would now like to have a little fun if y'all don't mind. upon my research i have found 1 car that i believe hasn't been "spoiled" by all the things going on in the muscle hobby today. it is a g.m. product but not a chevy. has low production numbers. the car is a beast, but it seems to me that not many people are paying as much attention to it as it deserves. although it is a very rare and highly thought of muscle in the sphere of people that follow them. they are expensive, but i have seen several for sale in the 40k range give or take- restored. i would class this car right up there with the ls6's, hemi's, and shelby's and maybe even , yes, the copo's, but its not! oh well thats good for me since i'am in the buyer mode. can anybody guess which car it is?

[Mr70]

1970 Buick GSX 455 Stage 1.....in Saturn Yellow

[DaJudge]

68 or 69 Hurst Olds?

[Racefan]

1978 Stage 1 Chevy Chevette in silver rustoleum ? Sorry, just am in a groove of bringing up silver Chevettes today.

Anxious to hear what it is....always looking to learn about some of the other GM products.