70-71 CAMARO BB 4SPD

[MagicRatt]

This is some good reading....once again. I've been working in and out of car dealers since 1985 and I have seen some crazy things go on. Who's to say that this car was sitting on a lot back in the day without seeing any interest until somebody came along and told the GM of the store that they would buy the car if it had an automatic trans in it. Sometimes GM's will jump thru hoops to move old inventory off the lot. Putting a deal together that included a trans swap wouldn't surprise me at all. I am in no way saying that the car is a fake. Is the current owner of the car also the original owner? Just some food for thought.....

Rich

[Rick H]

Reading the whole thread you would see that there is rumor of a buildsheet with the car in question that supports the M40 option so the tranny swap theory wouldn't apply.



Rick H.

[THNDER]

I would just like to take a minute here, and stick up for Chuck. Chuck is an often misunderstood, misinterpreted guy, but i have figured out, after getting to know him at Carlisle and at the Super car reunion events that he just wants to find out the truth. I don't beleive he ever said the car was a fake, but rather asked for proof of authenticity. There is a differance. All known documentation that exists, including the AMA specification sheets that comes in the folder of information from GM when you call the 1-800 number shows the 70 L78 Camaro was not available with M40 auto transmission. I understand the fact that auto equipped novas and chevelles with L78 were produced, but until THIS car came along, the pattern seems to be that ALL 70' L78 Camaros were 4 speed cars. I personally don't care if it exists or not. I bet the NHRA drag racers who want to run this combo do. If the car is real,fine. If it is not, well that is fine too. Thanks for the site Tom. Mike

[Rick H]

Rick H.

[70 copo]

On the cosmetics side of the discussion on this car you may recall that the Second generation guys have an open topic on SS Camaros with Z-28 stripes:

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28406

(Please read the entire thread)

Now ask this: Why would you build a car that no one thinks really exists? You are not going to try to sell it with putting up with a boat load of crap (Example L-78 Auto car), Now the same with the alleged SS stripe cars, yet they keep popping up for sale? (SS camaro with stripes)

Comments?

Phil

[DarrenX33]

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Why would you build a car that no one thinks really exists?

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I'm still getting up to speed on 2nd gens. But, back in 1970 when someone walked into the dealership and looked at the brochure for Camaros. Isn't it true that the L78 wasn't even listed? Therefore, the L78 didn't really exist back then either? Let alone with an auto trans???

[Gregs396]

I recall reading the post about the SS cars and them having stripes too. There was one guy who had a trim tag with the
Z27 code followed by a stripe code as well. I don't remember what the final outcome of that topic was, as far as it being authentic or not.
On the L78 TH-400 topic, I don't know a lot about these cars, and haven't really seen very many of them either. My only question is why wouldn't they offer the TH-400 in an L78 Camaro given that they did have it in other cars with that engine as well as the 454's?

[BARN FIND]

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Whatever, I guess my point is when I see things that are incorrect I start to question the authenticity of the car.

Maybe the buildsheet will show the Z/28 stripes as well. That would answer a ton of other questions.

Of course nobody answered my post asking if someone can come look at the car. Or is it a national secret and will cost $5k to look at it?!


Rick H.

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I don't think Charlie is saying it will cost 5k to look at it, I think he is saying he is so convinced that it is authentic that he will give 5k to anyone who proves him wrong. By the way, my 72 SS had stripes on it when I bought it in 78 and I took them off in 82 because I was told numerous times that they were not "correct".

[Rick H]

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I think he is saying he is so convinced that it is authentic that he will give 5k to anyone who proves him wrong

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That is not what he said. He placed a bet which means if you loose you give him $5k and if he wins he gives you the money. That's how betting works.

Rick H.

[Rick H]

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I recall reading the post about the SS cars and them having stripes too. There was one guy who had a trim tag with the
Z27 code followed by a stripe code as well. I don't remember what the final outcome of that topic was, as far as it being authentic or not.
On the L78 TH-400 topic, I don't know a lot about these cars, and haven't really seen very many of them either. My only question is why wouldn't they offer the TH-400 in an L78 Camaro given that they did have it in other cars with that engine as well as the 454's?

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The final outcome is there never is a final outcome. Certain individuals post claims and after a 4-5 page thread it is never proven. Request are ignored and so on and so on.

There are certain people who feel that their word is gospel and nothing else needs to be proven. They said it's true so it must be.

I just don't see why it so friggin difficult to allow people to verify the car and it's alleged paperwork.

Unless it can be proven I myself stand by the understanding that there were NO 1970 L78/M 40's built. Also the stripe issue was never proven either. Show me the trim tag and supporting documentation and then I might change my mind.

Have a nice day.

Rick H.