Stripe Delete JL8 Z28

[William]

Nothing anyone has stated proves <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> car was built that way.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing anyone has stated proves <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> car was built that way. </div></div>

Correct. But the so called black grill myth that you are making reference to has a basis as an assembly line mistake.

What we have then is first hand knowledge from the line that it did happen.

The better question is why not this specific car then? It's a great car by any measure why not focus on the good stuff?

[Charley Lillard]

Phil...What we have <span style="font-weight: bold">here</span> is not first hand knowledge. It is being told to us by you saying a guy you know said he worked on the line. Doesn't mean it isn't correct but it can't really be positively relied upon. It could have come off the line that way but I would sure like to look at it up close.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil...What we have <span style="font-weight: bold">here</span> is not first hand knowledge. It is being told to us by you saying a guy you know said he worked on the line. Doesn't mean it isn't correct but it can't really be positively relied upon. It could have come off the line that way but I would sure like to look at it up close. </div></div>

Charley,

That makes two of us. The first hand account of a Chassis side superintendent that ran the dog house area up on the second floor is pretty compelling however.

[Kurt S]

Compelling? He said it was possible. So did Bill.
Doesn't make it likely.

[70 copo]

Kurt,

I agree 100%. No proof it was installed on this car.

For the sake of fairness to the car however the term compelling is approporiate as the superintendent was successful in his lucid discription of the dog house build process detail to cause me to believe and agree that cosmetic production errors of this type did happen.

So, we have the black grill myth which came from some place -- and we now have a plausible explanation as to the cause. Now that does not make it correct... however if that is what happened it is hard to argue that such a car is not &quot;original&quot; as produced from the factory.

Than again why not trust Tom's word on what he says on this specific car so we can learn more about it?

[bergy]

As one who worked on the assembly line around this time period (St. Louis not Norwood), it always frustrates me to somewhat cavalierly assume that anomalies like this were simply &quot;worker error&quot;. I was the &quot;replacement employee&quot; and did every job on the line as part of my education. I can assure you that I would never have gotten away with selecting a wrong part that was as easy to spot as a grille. The guys around me were smart &amp; cared about the product that was rolling down the line. They were like hawks, waiting for the &quot;new guy&quot; to make a mistake &amp; teasing the crap out of him! New employees weren't just thrown into production without someone keeping an eye on them (early in the shift - relief men were available). Maybe hard to believe in this day of robots, but we really did look over each other's shoulder. The line workers were acquaintances and/or friends of the inspectors and repairmen down the line - it wasn't like they were 50 miles away in another town! Mistakes created work for them &amp; they were NOT happy about it.
There are other, IMO more likely, explanations - like damage in transit, changed out later because someone thought it looked cool, etc. Also curious that the hood has been replaced - could the grille have been damaged/stolen at the same time? No disrespect to the production superintendent (I was one too). If you ask - is something &quot;possible&quot;, you get a different answer than if you ask what the more &quot;likely&quot; explanation is.
OK - sorry for the rant - had to defend my fellow employees!

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> As one who worked on the assembly line around this time period (St. Louis not Norwood), it always frustrates me to somewhat cavalierly assume that anomalies like this were simply &quot;worker error&quot;. I was the &quot;replacement employee&quot; and did every job on the line as part of my education. I can assure you that I would never have gotten away with selecting a wrong part that was as easy to spot as a grille. The guys around me were smart &amp; cared about the product that was rolling down the line. They were like hawks, waiting for the &quot;new guy&quot; to make a mistake &amp; teasing the crap out of him! New employees weren't just thrown into production without someone keeping an eye on them (early in the shift - relief men were available). Maybe hard to believe in this day of robots, but we really did look over each other's shoulder. The line workers were acquaintances and/or friends of the inspectors and repairmen down the line - it wasn't like they were 50 miles away in another town! Mistakes created work for them &amp; they were NOT happy about it.
There are other, IMO more likely, explanations - like damage in transit, changed out later because someone thought it looked cool, etc. Also curious that the hood has been replaced - could the grille have been damaged/stolen at the same time? No disrespect to the production superintendent (I was one too). If you ask - is something &quot;possible&quot;, you get a different answer than if you ask what the more &quot;likely&quot; explanation is.
OK - sorry for the rant - had to defend my fellow employees! </div></div>



Your post leaves the impression that all plants were like your line.

The audit process sheet that I provided is instructive as to the defect count which is an obvious indicator as to build quality.

If you look at the kinds of defects recorded and the quantities it becomes a sample proposition for a reader to understand what the quality standards were for assembly when the line was ran at a break neck pace in a divorce RPO environment where replacement workers were placed on an element with two minutes of On the Job instruction and then expected to keep up.

Minor mistakes were common as were build configuration errors.

[70 copo]

Bergy,

Not one assumption made. I have the quality control records from the plant generated during audit. Here is the easiest page to put my hands on without digging into the storage files.

[Murphy442]

Love all the insights here. Maybe it's my non-confrontational nature but wouldn't it be easier to put a Silver grille in it and then never have it ever be questioned again? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]