Window Stickers

[1969l78]

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[L78steve]

Originally Posted by 1969l78

Not sure why anyone would want fake paper work for their car made up. Long after you've owned that car and sold it, someone is probably going to pass it off as real and someone is going to get screwed. But that's just my .02

I have a repro window sticker on one of my cars that matches the original. How will that hurt anyone?

[William]

I have provided examples of repro paperwork being used to fraudulently enhance the value and salability of genuine muscle cars. Two cars at Mecum Indy had fake paperwork displayed with the car. The auctioneer mentioned "original window sticker" when one of them crossed the block.

In the most recent example it is being used to enhance the value and salability of a complete fake LS-6 Chevelle. What more do you need?

If your car is what you say it is why does it need a repro window sticker?

BTW the dealer that has the fake LS-6 was notified yesterday, not by me. As of this am, still unchanged on their site.

[Verne_Frantz]

The easiest way to tell repro paperwork from original is that the new stuff looks new.....UNLESS..........it's aged. That aging is the intent to defraud. And that is the real problem. (IMO)

Verne

[Mr70]

....and the fonts,among other things.

[Verne_Frantz]

Originally Posted by Mr70

....and the fonts,among other things.

That's only true for the die-hards in the hobby who have studied original ones, in which case they can also detect fake ones that have been aged. Once they've been aged, "most" people will believe they are original.

[68l30]

Years ago I took a blank window sticker, cheap one, and added all my Day Two mods to it. Pretty neat to let others know what's been done and play where's Waldo with all the parts. Haven't had it in the car in years.....Yep, guess I still don't need it.

BIG

[L78steve]

It up to the purchaser to do their research with any rare item of value. Counterfeiting is not going away.

[William]

Originally Posted by L78steve

It up to the purchaser to do their research with any rare item of value. Counterfeiting is not going away.

True but there are varying levels of experience in the market for the cars. I have been virtually exclusively '69 Camaro for almost 42 years, still learning about them. Some of the repro paperwork out there is very well done, more so if it is artificially aged. All they have to do is fool some of the people some of the time.

The problem is the average guy at an auction. Maybe just retired, has money to spend. Unless he is there with Jerry MacNeish how is he to know the paperwork displayed at an auction is real? Barrett-Jackson makes an effort to vet consignments but I have seen repro paperwork there also.

I have no problem with an owner displaying a repro doc at a show. Repro paperwork has no business being displayed with a car offered for sale.

No idea why Chevrolet allows these guys to use their trademarked names and logos without permission.

[HawkX66]

Originally Posted by William

I have no problem with an owner displaying a repro doc at a show. Repro paperwork has no business being displayed with a car offered for sale.

Honestly, I think most of us are in agreement. We're just saying there's nothing wrong with having repro docs for show and personal enjoyment purposes. The problem is when it becomes a counterfeiting issue. As many have brought up time and time again, there are always going to be counterfeiters in everything that has profits attached to it. If anyone thinks stopping these few sellers is going to change anything, I think they're mistaken. It's way too easy in the computer age to recreate any documents.