1969 L-89 Convertible 4 Speed For Sale - Page 4

**Jeff H** · #31 02-23-2005, 02:32 AM

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There is no way to prove this car was one of 11 built unless you have paperwork on all 311 built. After looking at the vin stamping on the block, it doesn't match the original Norwood vin characters in our data base. If I were going to spend that kind of money on a very rare car, I would not buy it unless the car had one of the following, car shipper, window sticker, dealer invoice or dealer order sheet. Paperwork in paramount for a car like this!

Jerry @CHP

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I know nothing about this car or it's originality, but I have to point out that you have pictures of this very same "1" in your 69 Z28-SS396 fact book Jerry. It definitely looks odd compared to most stampings but I don't think it can rule out originality.

**njsteve** · #32 02-23-2005, 03:59 AM

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Something to remember with broach-marks is that the broaching machines used had a time line with respect to wear. In other words, not all original broach-marks look the same. The scratches grow more distinct as the broachers wear out. Dont judge one set of broach-marks against another as they both could be original. Just make sure those lines are straight!...........Bill S

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Very good observation. This is akin to forensic comparisons of bullets to a particular barrel of a particular weapon. The reason that you can match a single bullet to a single gun is that the machining process of making one barrel after another, degrades the mandrel or the cutting instrument used to make the barrel. So barrel #1 will have a different microscopic machine mark pattern than barrel #2 and so on.

The same can be said for the machines that were used to cut the flat surfaces on engine blocks. So if someone (like Jerry) has been identifying and recording particular patterns over a sequence of time from a specific engine plant, they can then render an expert opinion as to the originality of an ID pad surface.

Jerry, have you ever been called as an expert witness?

Jerry@CHP · #33 02-23-2005, 04:08 AM

Yes, many times starting back to about 1994 or so.

**Salvatore** · #34 02-23-2005, 04:50 AM

Hey Jerry, Lets go DRAG RACING! P.S. The voltage regulator looks great as I knew it would. Thanks, Sam

af1fe · #35 02-23-2005, 05:32 AM

I can't find out where Jerry said anything about the "1" charactor. Am I mistaken?

**Jeff H** · #36 02-23-2005, 05:48 AM

I'm sorry, it was Mr Yenko that mentioned the feet on the "1"s, not Jerry. I did notice that Jerry's book does have another 69 partial VIN with those "1"s so that character wouldn't rule it a restamp. I'm not an expert on stampings but I can't see any characters that don't match some of the samples in his book.

**Charley Lillard** · #37 02-23-2005, 06:00 AM

I think someone else said it. we need more info on that..

JChlupsa · #38 02-23-2005, 08:18 AM

L78 pad stamps, after 20+ years stored under a house.

raw muscle cars · #39 02-23-2005, 04:14 PM

Question If this camaro is so rare and valuable and sought after by collectors why would you put it for sale on a place like e-bay? It seems there are no docs to prove it is what he says it is so I think maybe you would say its a "clone". no ticky no laundry.

**COPO** · #40 02-23-2005, 04:46 PM

There are MANY rare cars that have been for sale and have sold on or through ebay. I have bought 4 of them through an initial auction on ebay including a '69 L78 Camaro Convert., and 3 Baldwin Motion cars (67, 69 and 71).

It seems harsh to call this car a clone given what you know at this point. Another board member stated that the shop doing the resto thought that the car appeared to be at least a legit L-78 car. If it was me it would be money well spent to hire a PI to find the history on this car. Big difference in value if it can be proven.