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Old 10-09-2024, 02:03 PM
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Really a cool ‘65 Olds 442. Love that White / Red combo.

Just my opinion ….. leave it as built.
It’s almost 60 years old and still retains its factory powertrain.
It’s a relaxing vintage cruiser for fun on nice days, not to mention first era of the Muscle Car.

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Old 10-09-2024, 05:27 PM
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Really a cool ‘65 Olds 442. Love that White / Red combo.

Just my opinion ….. leave it as built.
It’s almost 60 years old and still retains its factory powertrain.
It’s a relaxing vintage cruiser for fun on nice days, not to mention first era of the Muscle Car.

Thanks for sharing.
I agree with your points and part of me says leave it alone as it's a pure, undisturbed car. Plus running a car at the the Pure Stock Drags in Stanton is a bucket list thing for me (maybe run it there?) The appeal of an overdrive with nothing more that redrilling a few holes makes the option appealing. Heck, I was talking to Jim Mattison about the car and he said put a 4 speed in it! No way I'm cutting the floor in it!
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Old 10-09-2024, 06:25 PM
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Heck, I was talking to Jim Mattison about the car and he said put a 4 speed in it! No way I'm cutting the floor in it!
Mr. Mattison actually suggested that, shocking!
Hey Jim, why stop there, drop in an LS motor too 🙄
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I have a strong purist streak in me, but transmissions, particularly 2sp automatics, are such an inhibitor of performance and driving enjoyment, that I’m in favor of substitutions that don’t involve much in the way of tunnel or frame mods. Swapping a 2004r for a PG/Jetaway/Super Turbine 300 is such a transformative modification that nobody can really see if you execute it properly. Also, 2004R gives vintage BOP guys a bolt on transmission options without adapters or anything. It is literally adding a new low and a new high gear to the mix. Functionally this will improve performance more than most bolt ons and make highway driving less stressful on the car (and you). I feel the same way about upgrading steering boxes for faster ratio and better feel. Getting the linkage right and making the gear indicator appear factory is part of the challenge, but also part of the fun in finessing a solution that looks period correct and proper. My friend put a Borgeson power steering box in his 50k original mile ‘67 Fairlane GT because he got tired of fighting Ford external units and loved how the Borgesons drove. He painted everything to match, used OEM style hoses, used a correct Ford pump and even Ford guys don’t notice it unless you point it out.
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I have a strong purist streak in me, but transmissions, particularly 2sp automatics, are such an inhibitor of performance and driving enjoyment, that I’m in favor of substitutions that don’t involve much in the way of tunnel or frame mods. Swapping a 2004r for a PG/Jetaway/Super Turbine 300 is such a transformative modification that nobody can really see if you execute it properly. Also, 2004R gives vintage BOP guys a bolt on transmission options without adapters or anything. It is literally adding a new low and a new high gear to the mix. Functionally this will improve performance more than most bolt ons and make highway driving less stressful on the car (and you). I feel the same way about upgrading steering boxes for faster ratio and better feel. Getting the linkage right and making the gear indicator appear factory is part of the challenge, but also part of the fun in finessing a solution that looks period correct and proper. My friend put a Borgeson power steering box in his 50k original mile ‘67 Fairlane GT because he got tired of fighting Ford external units and loved how the Borgesons drove. He painted everything to match, used OEM style hoses, used a correct Ford pump and even Ford guys don’t notice it unless you point it out.
Agree with everything you said. I'm sure the car will feel like it gained a bunch of horsepower by just doing this simple swap. It's very tempting.
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Congrats on the 4 4 2! Great color combo!
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Congrats! Very clean and great looking car.
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Put roughly 170 miles since it came home (previous owner drove it 100 miles in the last 10 years.) Ran into town with it to run a couple errands Friday. Glorious fall Michigan weather
Sunday warranted a drive with the wife to a couple cider mills for a doughnut and some cider. Had a smile glued to my face the whole trip. This is what it's all about!
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'87 Buick Regal Turbo T Stock 48,000 miles

2015 Challenger SRT Hellcat 5400 miles

2014 F150 Supercab Ecoboost - Livernois Motorsports tuned


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'65 Biscayne 427
'66 Caprice 396
'72 LeMans Y code 455 VIN 007
6 GN and Turbo T's, 2 Wildcats, GS, 2 Skylarks ...and a partridge in a pear tree.

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Sweet car! Also, one of the best October weekends ever in MI. Incredible weather.
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----You are in Plymouth and I'm in Marine City. Sure wish I could take a long look at your new treasure. Hope to see it at some get together around here sometime....Bill S
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