GTO Barn Find

[Tracker1]

SPIDERS ARE AWFUL.

Yes your interior looks EXACTLY like mine - 3 chrome gauges hung from bottom of dash and 8 track sitting on the console, everything - I thought I was looking at my own car.

I do find it hard to believe that there isn't an earlier ram air car than mine , but so far no. The Pontiac guys have not yet nailed down the point of availability for Ram Air motors for 1969 model year - it was a whole new system for '69 with the interior driver-operated pull cable and hood flappers and its availability may have been delayed.

But your engine - being a 4-speed car - is functionally equipped with the same engine as a Ram Air III - (does it have #48 heads?) just without all the induction paraphernalia and foam air cleaner stuff...the automatics had a different (tamer) cam, heads and gearing than 4-speeds so is considered more "sluggish"

[cook_dw]

Sweet absolutely love it.. I see another preservation!! Maybe a repaint if the paint is trash..??.. Great score!!

[PeteLeathersac]

SC[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif[/img]RE!!!
Big congrats Dana and looking forward to more!
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~ Pete

[earntaz]

Napalm -- works every time! Actually, get some RAID spray. Many times when I visit salvage yard looking for pieces-parts, my tool bag includes RAID Wasp spray. TAZ

[442w30]

Des, not sure I'm feeling the characterization of the similarities between the two engines.

It's my understanding that the carb is different between the two.

Plus, the heads and cam were different in the beginning of the year, but eventually the RAIII was downgraded to feature the same cam and heads as the 400/350 MT.

[Tracker1]

Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.

[427freak]

Des
Yes it has the 48 heads and I believe came with a 066 cam? Thanks for the Ram info making more sense to me now.

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.
</div></div>Just for the record the Ram air cars had 48 heads which is correct but had a slightly stiffer spring setup for the 068 cam and had a different distributor,better flowing ram air exhaust manifolds and the carb was jetted differently to give you the boost in horsepower. Personally I've never come across a WT motor to ever have a 273 carb but never say never with a pontiac.

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.
</div></div>Just for the record the Ram air cars had 48 heads which is correct but had a slightly stiffer spring setup for the 068 cam and had a different distributor,better flowing ram air exhaust manifolds and the carb was jetted differently to give you the boost in horsepower. Personally I've never come across a WT motor to ever have a 273 carb but never say never with a pontiac. </div></div>

Right on, forgot about the manifolds Don - big difference there.

[flyingn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Des, not sure I'm feeling the characterization of the similarities between the two engines.

It's my understanding that the carb is different between the two.

Plus, the heads and cam were different in the beginning of the year, but eventually the RAIII was downgraded to feature the same cam and heads as the 400/350 MT.
</div></div>

Don't forgot about the RA headers too. Thats another difference