E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vfitom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tracker, you state: &quot;car retains one hidden VIN&quot;. Thus, If you have the original car with that original hidden vin, and you legally have the title with that listed VIN, YOU own that car. </div></div>

The rub is the title and the VIN plate reside with another individual who cut it out years ago. That aside, so, with your experience, you are saying a hidden VIN trumps an actual VIN plate on the dash in establishing the existence of &quot;a car&quot;? Cuz what I have is a pile of scrap metal with a matching engine block. What Bergy has is a whole car with VIN on the dash. You're saying - or at least intimating - is that because that VIN tag on the dash is removable it isn't as legitimate as a hidden VIN? (I'm just deducting out,here, from what you said in your post...allow me some leeway) So if Bergy had found this car with the hidden VINs on the cowl and behind the heater box in place BUT no VIN tag on the dash he'd be better off? Not challenging, just trying to learn.

[sYc]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vfitom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tracker, you state: &quot;car retains one hidden VIN&quot;. Thus, If you have the original car with that original hidden vin, and you legally have the title with that listed VIN, YOU own that car. </div></div>

.....- is that because that VIN tag on the dash is removable it isn't as legitimate as a hidden VIN? (I'm just deducting out,here, from what you said in your post...allow me some leeway) So if Bergy had found this car with the hidden VINs on the cowl and behind the heater box in place BUT no VIN tag on the dash he'd be better off? </div></div>


Yes..and yes...

[COPO140]

&quot;What Bergy has is a whole car with VIN on the dash&quot;


Above is a quote from Tracker's post. Unless I missed something, this has not been proven. This is the kind of crap that gets me going. Why would you say this tracker unless you know something that the rest of us don't?

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO140</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;What Bergy has is a whole car with VIN on the dash&quot;


Above is a quote from Tracker's post. Unless I missed something, this has not been proven. This is the kind of crap that gets me going. Why would you say this tracker unless you know something that the rest of us don't? </div></div>

COPO140, I don't believe you can deny that Bergy has a whole car with a Yenko VIN on the dash, that's all I was saying. What is being debated is if he has THE whole car that goes WITH that VIN or not. I don't know if he does or if he doesn't anymore than you do. I was just trying to establish if a shell with a hidden VIN and no VIN tag was more legitimate or desirable than a shell with just a dash VIN tag. I was not referring to bergy's car as a whole &quot;yenko&quot; car, just a whole car. Please place panties on ironing board, apply steam.

And, yes Jireh, it is time to get back to work. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[talwell]

In today's day of people restamping and creating just about anything that could establish an extraordinary value, has there been any examples known as to where someone has restamped the hidden vins on a car yet? I would think that this could be replicated just as easily as block or part stamping could be.

[Steve Shauger]

To answer this question:

&quot;I was just trying to establish if a shell with a hidden VIN and no VIN tag was more legitimate or desirable than a shell with just a dash VIN tag.&quot;

A body with orig vin stampings is the legitimate VIN. Simply installing a VIN tag to a car body that has different VIN stampings is a rebody.

BTW the example you use is not necessarily the case in the car being discussed. A physical examination has yet to done so it is undetermined at this time.

[Hylton]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In today's day of people restamping and creating just about anything that could establish an extraordinary value, has there been any examples known as to where someone has restamped the hidden vins on a car yet? I would think that this could be replicated just as easily as block or part stamping could be. </div></div>


Yes it can be done very easily and there are cars out there that can fool the best of them.

[black69]

As far as how things 'can' happen in IL, the folks at the state police told me a few yrs back, they really only care about what numbers are on the frame or the hidden body numbers. They definitely know what they are doing and how to get to the numbers that matter. They have no issue taking a car with issues. What happens to it after they take it I do not know. The one example they told me they just got finished picking up was a restored 62 vette in Chicago where the title did not match the frame numbers. Car was a big dollar ride, new owner lost his new purchase.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one example they told me they just got finished picking up was a restored 62 vette in Chicago where the title did not match the frame numbers. Car was a big dollar ride, new owner lost his new purchase. </div></div>

That makes no sense. The frame on a lot of early corvettes rotted out and has to be replaced during a restoration.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That makes no sense. The frame on a lot of early corvettes rotted out and has to be replaced during a restoration. </div></div>

As well as a lot of Chevelles.