1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!

[69LM1]

Steve,
Not saying that this car is worth the same as a yenko.... I agree there. BUT, I do think it is worth more than a standard 70Z as well. The real question is how much, and is that relative to the worth between say a 69 BB and a COPO? Or a baldwin-motion. Even the BB cars that were converted after the sale at Motion seem to command a higher premium than the regular BB cars, when they have documentation to back it up, but not as much as a "Badlwin-Motion" doc car.

So, speaking in terms of paperwork, documentation and proof (the point that a yenko is more documented than a copo on average, if I understood your response), then this car is one of a very few that have backup documentation, and that documention has been verified by an industry trusted independant third party as real and authentic.

Of course, as the seller, I am looking for the best I can get. As a buyer, someone wants the best for the least.

This is definatly a niche car, and I have already had some pretty decent offers on it. Like I said, I know of at least one other that sold for a good bit more than I threw out here.....
Who knows, the market is pretty soft right now as we have seen. I may be out of line.....but, you could own this nice driver 70 Z COPO for the cost of a Concours 69 Z28. Everybody's got 69 Z28's, how many COPO Z's can there be?

I think we can all agree at least that it is an interesting car, and that the 1970 Z's, COPO or not, rock!

I will be keeping one of these two 70 Z's, and I really hope the Green 70Z sells (BTW Guys, I think 35k is a STEAL for that car, it IS in great condition, how many still have the cigarette lighter that still works?) before this one!

Thanks,

Rich

[69LM1]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

[427king]

What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

[Steve Shauger]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

[69LM1]

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

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However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

[69LM1]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

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Well, I stand corrected then. And I even agree. Survivor cars are more appealing to me than restored cars as well!

I wish I could have gotten that 69 LM1 (the hugger car) before it flooded. It has (had ) 70% original paint and it's original interior.

Rich

[69LM1]

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What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

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No market comparison.......

[Steve Shauger]

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

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I appreciate your response as you are correct. I was just bustin ya a little, and didn't expect a response (I thought that was obvious). It will be interesting to see how the market responds. I love blue - blue cars, that has some wow factor.

Good luck

[70 copo]

I would not kick the tires too long on this car. The general public will be very aware of this option later this fall. "Real deal" cars will be in demand.

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[Dave Rifkin]

Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.