'67 Muncie Shifter

[Zedder]

Craig (or anyone else),

What is the difference between the 67/68 Muncie small block and big block shifter? Thanks,

[Mr70]

I'd swear those dogs are planning an Attack.
Get aload of the middle one,He looks like Belair62..I mean the ring leader. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[JoeC]

I have been researching the 67 BB Camaro shifter and have found a few different Muncie shifters. I know the 69 Hurst shifter is different BB and SB because the BB engine/trans is located forward and to the pass side of the SB location. The 69 Camaro Hurst has different rods and the bracket between shifter and trans is different. I have seen different offsets in the chrome Muncie handle and not sure if this is BB/SB difference or Camaro/Nova difference. The reverse light linkage is different on some and the trans lever dogs are different with small slots (1967) and long slots (1969+). The cars with Saginaw trans I don't think have "Muncie" stamped on the chrome handle because I have seen a bunch of these no name chrome handles both 3sp and 4sp. There must be a bunch of different Camaro/Nova Muncie shifters like with the Chevelle Muncie shifters where there is at least 5 different ones between 68-72.

[NCGuy68]

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There must be a bunch of different Camaro/Nova Muncie shifters like with the Chevelle Muncie shifters where there is at least 5 different ones between 68-72.

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Your right Joe...and it can get confusing. I know of at least 4 different shifter/linkage/lever combinations that were 'factory' for 67-8 Camaros. Novas were similar, but have their own styles as well.

Years ago, I began researching/restoring Muncie shifters partly to get the 'right' ones for my own cars and secondly as a winter time hobby. Since then, I've had the opportunity to view/measure/trace shifters from both BB and SB unmolested cars. I've noted the following differences that apply only to 67-8 BB Muncie shifter:

1. Both the reverse linkage (rod) and the stablizer shaft have very noticable bends in them. This is because the shifter mounting holes in the BB transmission crossmember are offset to the right about 1/4 inch compared to the SB one.

2. The 1-2 and 3-4 rods are ever so slighty offset to the right for the same reason. This is very difficult to measure on 36 year old rods but it can be done.

3. The part manuals as well as the assembly manual list BB and SB rods under different numbers. Some say this is because the BB rods are larger in diameter. Although this is true with the 69 factory Hurst, I've never measured a difference in the Muncie rods.

I know pics would be helpful. However, Jerry MacNeish bought the last BB shifter I had at the 03 Spring Autofair in Charlotte, NC. Never-the-less, I do have accurate tracings and measurements if anyone is in need.

[Zedder]

Thanks for the info Craig [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] So, are you saying that the shifter and mounting bracket are the same for BB and SB cars? If I sent you a pic of the shifter I just bought could you tell which application it is for? Thanks for your help,

[NCGuy68]

Yep....the shifter and its mounting bracket are the same for both. The differences are in the linkage and the stablizer shaft. Of course, 'Muncie' was stamped on the handle. The Saginaw and 3-speed handles were plain.

Feel free to send a pic and I'll try to ID it for you.

Use this Email: [email protected]

[JoeC]

So is Charley's big or small? I am talking about the shifter pictured on this thread a few posts up.

[NCGuy68]

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So is Charley's big or small? I am talking about the shifter pictured on this thread a few posts up.

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Charley's shifter is a small block. Most noticeable is that the reverse linkage and the stablizer shaft are straight and not offset to the right as they would be if they were big block. Scroll up and see my previous post as to why this is.

In addition, allow me to correct myself as to which shifter handles had 'Muncie' stamped on them:

1. Any 67-8 Camaro with a 'factory installed' Muncie 4-speed trans. (M20, M21, M22) This applys to both big and small block cars.

2. Any 69 Camaro with a 'factory installed' Muncie 3-speed trans. (RPO M13/MC1) This was the only 3-speed shifter that received the Muncie stamp.

A very popular Camaro vender in the Midwest is stamping 'Muncie' on plain handles and then rechroming them. I don't agree with this as I feel there are too many fake/clone/repop 'everythings' out there already.

As always, know the parts you're looking for and be cautious.

[68z302]

Craig,
Was the "T" stamped in all the shifter handles that were stamped MUNCIE? I was told once that only shifters in the factory high performance cars had that, but I'm not sure. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
I notice that Charlie's handle has the T stamp.

Thanks, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]
Rob

[NCGuy68]

I've seen Muncie handles with and without the 'T' stamp. I don't know if it has any significance.