Another Deuce part problem-shifter boot

[whitetop]

Here is a picture of an NOS Hurst Shifter Super Boot I just pulled off the shelf.The plastic covering obscured the photo a little.
Dave


http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...268&p=54734861

[Edited by whitetop (10-01-2001 at 05:57 PM).]

[Edited by whitetop (10-01-2001 at 05:59 PM).]

[JoeC]

Dave, Is the Hurst boot sold today use the same rubber part and will the old trim parts fit on the new rubber boot?

[whitetop]

Joe
Everything is the same except the middle plate which is engraved on the new one with the H. The old plate with pop right into the new boot. The biggest problem with the ones at the swap meet are the plates are bent or rusty and the red H piece of plastic is missing.
Dave

[Alan Colvin]

Marlin,

Howdy! Long time no talk! I am currently writing a series of magazine articles on various OE Hurst shifter applications. I saw the reference to the special Hurst shifter in the Duece from the article on your car. Did the special shifter have a part number from Hurst? Does the Duece shifter use the same offset carrier as in the Camaro? Do you have any literature from Hurst on the shifter?

Thanx

Alan

[bowtie3168]

Alan,
I just purchased the two "Chevrolet By The Numbers" books that I needed to complete the set, the 1955-59 and the 1960-64, the books are great! Thank you.

Andrew

[NWYENKO]

It sounds like the Hurst Super Boots are still available. Where is a good source? Does this boot just fit over the other boot? I never thought such a discussion would evolve from a topic like this. Just shows that there are no stupid questions!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Hi Alan;
Yes, it has been a while since we last corresponded!

As for the Hurst shifter installed in the Yenko Novas, it took us a a while to figure out what it was. After comparing shifters among original cars, and speaking with George Campbell in Chalfont, Pa, we eliminated the possibility that over-the-counter shifters were utilized. So, we assumed that Hurst had come up with a special shifter just for this application, although that sounded expensive. After looking at countless shifters at swap meets, we realized that our Competition Plus shifters had the identical offset as the '69 Camaro Z28's. This was good news, but what about the arm? Well, we got lucky (as opposed to smart!), and Neal Robbins found a strange looking shifter with what appeared to be a Yenko Deuce arm, at Carlisle. The vendor was a Pontiac only guy, and informed us how rare this unit was; yada, yada, - because it was for a '69-'70 GTO with bench seat! Once we thought about it, it started to make sense, even though I'd had never seen a bench seat GTO with a 4 speed in those years. We later found out that the same arm was used on the Tempest cars, possibly even with 3speed shifter mechanisms. After asking several Pontiac people about the arm, and all of them concurring, we feel that the arm is indeed from a bench seat GTO.

I have purchased two additional arms that were being sold as GTO bench seat shifters, and the number stamped into the arm's insert matches mine/others original shifters; #4177. We have not been able to find someone with Hurst literature that can confirm this for us though. A local vendor, Dennis Kirban, was not real helpful to me, although he claims to have cleaned out the Warminster plant when it closed. If you have some concrete paperwork which shows this # as an application for the Novas, we would like to have a copy!

The automatic cars' shifter was a little easier. We knew that they were delivered with the shifter on the column, and that Yenko simply knocked the pin out and tossed the lever. Yenko then installed one of two shifters on the floor. For some reason, a few of the a/t cars had the shifter installation instructions placed in the glove box, and two cars still had them after changing hands. J&W Nova had one such car, and informed us that it was 'just a regular Power Stick shifter'. This was actually the Autostick we believe. After photographing it, and comparing it to the advertisements from the Hurst giveaway Nova, we knew what it was.

The dual gate shifter is still a little bit of a mystery. We assumed that it should have come with a the hard plastic console with wood grain top plate like the '69 a/t Yenkos. Obviously, the Nova's bench seat would prohibit the installation of the console, but we are not sure if Yenko used the console type of dual gate shifter, with a generic boot, for the Novas, or if there was a non-console dual gate shifter. There are only about 5-7 a/t cars found with the optional shifter, and other than the arm, we don't really see why they are any different than the Autostick. We are still looking into this.

Finally, one car is rumored to have come with the Autostick shifter in the trunk. We believe that Yenko did not have time to install it before it was shipped to Johnny Londoff Chev. in Florissant, MO. I don't believe Londoff installed the shifter either, but apparently the first owner did. The car was totalled approximately two years later when it was rolled into a ditch one night.
M

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Pic of the 4speed shifter arm:
M
http://www.boomspeed.com/yenko/shifterarm4sale.jpg

[JoeC]

There were many different Hurst Duel gate shifters made for use in GTO's, Olds, and aftermarket conversion use. The one used in the GTOs was different by year.

[whitetop]

Hurst still makes about every shifter arm they ever made. Check in the back of a Hurst Catalog-the one I have has about 40-50 different arms available. They show a diaghram of each and measurments. The arm you are talking about is probably still available. You can just buy the arm. The shifter itself is probably about the same for most Muncie applications. The arms can be special ordered through Jegs or Summit etc.
Dave