Big Brother is Watching

[budnate]

a couple of years ago the Vette guys went crazy removing the on-star on the C-5 forum with the whole on-star backlash, they also were going after the black data boxes,

there was some work around then that the car didn't miss the connection and ran fine, guessing the big three took note and I bet the system's cant be disabled without killing the rig these days.

[Schonyenko2]

Up side: If you are in a crash with air bag deployment, it's automatically called into the 911 system. It gives location of the incident, and tries to contact the occupants. Relays real time info for responding emergency crews.

Down side: Potential for abuse/invasion of privacy/hacking into the system, etc.

Nothing more that I could really say without pushing the bounds of being political.

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Up side: If you are in a crash with air bag deployment, it's automatically called into the 911 system. It gives location of the incident, and tries to contact the occupants. Relays real time info for responding emergency crews.

Down side: Potential for abuse/invasion of privacy/hacking into the system, etc.

Nothing more that I could really say without pushing the bounds of being political. </div></div>

Say more Ken.
Anything with this much potential for abuse will get abused.
For me, it is simple. I don't believe the good outweighs the bad.
Our 19 year old cannot to this day parallel park. He wasn't required to for the driver's test. I can't believe they give a driver's license to someone who cannot parallel park. Guess he is waiting for one with park assist.

[70 copo]

I do not see it as political yet. The technology is there and no matter who is in power, and I do not want my insurance rates or my eligibility to get tags or plates eventually determined by someone snooping into how fast I drive on some country road.

Follow the money..If there is money to be made or saved by someone-trouble will be not too far behind.

I am reminded by a sign at the BMV that &quot;Driving is a privilege not a right&quot;, and a think there are many, many ways for the BMV or insurance companies to abuse data in real time now or in the future.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Follow the money.. </div></div>

GPS tracking devices are there to limit cost to insurers and manufacturers, nothing else. They market these as &quot;safety&quot; promoting devices so as to get an already not-paying-attention public to say, &quot;Yeah, whatever.&quot; Commercial airplanes have similar monitoring systems that track just about everything you can imagine: speed/overspeed, flap extension/overspeed, whether the airplane is on a 'stabilized' approach, etc., etc. This is used as a safety tool but the reality is that its main purpose is to assign blame/liability should an accident occur. Manufacturers want to limit payout, as do insurers, and that's the main motivator behind GPS and data tracking in vehicles.

Follow the money. Truer words were never spoken.

[GaryC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Follow the money.. </div></div>

GPS tracking devices are there to limit cost to insurers and manufacturers, nothing else. They market these as &quot;safety&quot; promoting devices so as to get an already not-paying-attention public to say, &quot;Yeah, whatever.&quot; Commercial airplanes have similar monitoring systems that track just about everything you can imagine: speed/overspeed, flap extension/overspeed, whether the airplane is on a 'stabilized' approach, etc., etc. This is used as a safety tool but the reality is that its main purpose is to assign blame/liability should an accident occur. Manufacturers want to limit payout, as do insurers, and that's the main motivator behind GPS and data tracking in vehicles.

Follow the money. Truer words were never spoken. </div></div>



So...maybe we need to find a way to limit the amount of money we give the insurance companies in premiums.

[StealthBird]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So...maybe we need to find a way to limit the amount of money we give the insurance companies in premiums. </div></div>

How about not running 43 Geico commercials during every NASCAR or NFL event? Think that would lower premiums a bit?

The web tracks you, your SmartPhone tracks you, now your car can track you.

It's creepy that when I look for a product on Amazon, for the next 2 weeks every web site I visit, and some forums, have ads for that product. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]

I used my SmartPhone to search for a Home Depot address. For the next two days, I saw Home Depot ads on my desktop PC. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]

Yes, Big Brother is watching. And they're watching this thread. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

[COPO CARTEL]

Only positive remark that I have is ....hit/skips on pedestrians or personal property. My high school biology teacher was killed while riding his $5,000 high tech bike on a country road this past summer. The young girl that caused the fatality was only 1 mile from home and she hid the car in the garage. It took 5 months to bring her to justice. Sad ending to a life that had touched so many in this community

[70 copo]

A federal decision on car to car communications is due today.

[StealthBird]

A huge problem with these complex technologically advanced cars is that they are basically rolling computers now, with WiFi. With that comes the possibility of hacking.

And yes, hackers can actually control your car. More and more cars are using &quot;accident avoidance&quot;, which means your brake pedal is no longer a mechanical device, it's fly by wire, controlled by the onboard computer. Same goes for your steering if you have &quot;park assist&quot;, where your car can back into a parallel parking spot.

Here's what freaked out the automakers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqe6S6m73Zw

Ford and Toyota have spent millions trying to close potential holes in their software. All this after a couple of hackers showed the world how they could control your car from their laptop PC.

This will only get worse and worse, as now they're talking about devices that the police could use to disable your car, forcing it to apply its brakes. They say it's to prevent &quot;slow speed chases&quot;, but as with anything, this device will fall into the hands of bad people. I'd hate to think of some young female driver on a rural road somewhere having some creep driving up behind them, and using this device to stop her car.

Technology will be the end of us all.