ZL1 # 48 coming to Barrett-Jackson

[big gear head]

I would guess that it could only be sold as a clone, replica, tribute or whatever you want to call it.

[Derek69SS]

I really hope they followed the owner history back and sued the builder who committed the fraud first.

[Rsconv68]

An undisputed and uncontradicted expert report by MacNeish concluded the car he inspected was not number 48 of the 69 Camaros produced. Indeed, it was not even a ZL1, worth no more than US$70,000. MacNeish found evidence that there were efforts to hide the car’s true nature, and that it was a “bad rebody.”

“This car should be investigated to locate all past owners. A serious investigation should take place to find out who tried to recreate this 1969 Camaro into one of the very rare 69 ZL-1 Camaros built at the Norwood, Ohio plant. There may be serious fraud issues due to the misrepresentation of this vehicle to potential buyers,” said MacNeish.

[Pro Stock John]

Whoa.

What engine is in this car?

[iluv69s]

Original guy probably could have stated that it is a rebody with no/repo cowl tag and got away with it. (may be just that).

I believe there are a few “real” ZL-1s the same (nothing but a VIN) that have sold for big $.

[JD502]

Originally Posted by iluv69s

Original guy probably could have stated that it is a rebody with no/repo cowl tag and got away with it. (may be just that).

I believe there are a few “real” ZL-1s the same (nothing but a VIN) that have sold for big $.

with these cars being raced and hacked up I'm sure all kinds of shenanigans has happened with the copo cars.

[William]

Originally Posted by iluv69s

Original guy probably could have stated that it is a rebody with no/repo cowl tag and got away with it. (may be just that).

I believe there are a few “real” ZL-1s the same (nothing but a VIN) that have sold for big $.

Big bucks maybe, but not approaching what no issues ZL-1s sell for. The two that have been disclosed as re-bodies are #9 [124379N608879] and #27 [124379N609965].

#9 sold at B-J AZ 2012 $451k. Sold there again this year, $495k.

#27 sold at B-J AZ 2009 [prior to disclosure] $319k, again 2019 $231k. Sold again B-J LV 2022 $159,500.

Even non-original engine ZL-1s do well. #60 sold at Mecum FL 2021 $825k. #61 at B-J AZ 2023 $770k.

Other ZL-1s are rumored to be re-bodied, not going there.

[Mr70]

Which ZL-1 is tied to the George Lyons debacle?

[William]

#9. Not quite a 'debacle'. Took some convincing to persuade him to disclose the re-body.

They settled on this:

"A GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this cars long term drag race history."

He bought it 2006 at auction from a consignor that did not disclose the re-body.

[iluv69s]

Originally Posted by William

#9. Not quite a 'debacle'. Took some convincing to persuade him to disclose the re-body.

They settled on this:

"A GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this cars long term drag race history."

He bought it 2006 at auction from a consignor that did not disclose the re-body.

Assuming the old Georgia, etc. paperwork and VIN tag are original , Sounds a lot like the original car in this thread. Just sayin’…

Does anyone know if the VIN is original? Or the paperwork? Suggesting it’s a rebody, I assume would suggest original VIN with different body?