67 (YENKO) baldwin motion identification question

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Not to worry Frank! I was the one who got Berger rolling by telling him that his vin was on the list of 107, not sure on the list of 54, and turned him over to JoeC and Warren D. Sometimes it's better to help people via PM's and phone calls instead of playing the whole thing out in public and drawing 'fire' for helping.

So far it's a tough car, has the right vin in the firewall, but no tags, and.... it's on the list of 107, not sure if it's on the list of 54, but Warren has papers for it. This lends creedance to the expanded count for '67 Yenko cars, and our theory that the 54 cars on the 'list' represents those cars that were sold through SPAN Inc, and were listed for commission payment purposes only. So, the jury is out on this one until more research is done. Berger seems to be doing fine job on that end, props to him, and the winning lottery ticket for that $5000 - that indicates 10 pieces of paper???

[Belair62]

See...all you guys were hibernating....it ain't that cold...Charley since the VIN is still on the body I agree...if someone turns up with those tags they would be the ones out of luck.

[sYc]

What if the other owner (tags) has gone through the proper channels and has a clear title? Lets say a salvage title, where it is legal to combine two cars to make one. I am sure this person would not surrender the tags without a fight and/or compensation. Most likely a issue for the courts to decide.

Also, if Berger goes to have a trim tag made, what codes does he put on it, not knowing how the car was equipped?

As I told him in a PM, IMO, the car is best left as a race car, where these matters are not of such great importance. IMO, the only way I see that the car could be of major value would be if the original tags were reunited with the original body. Otherwise, there will always be this cloud of mystery (missing tags) hanging over the car.

[budnate]

Question from a new guy,

so when a person pays this Warren gentleman for paperwork how complete is it?? what exactly do you recieve??
Does it have a copy of the window sticker in the file??

Bud.

[berger]

kevin already posted his work orders he got from warren , I forget where I saw the thread here, but it cleary states what was to be converted on the car, all the way down to hood pins, it included labor charges, tax etc, and if yenko was doing it or Harrell, when I spoke with warren he said if Harrell was to do the work the car and motor went straight to his shop from the factory and not through canosburg, these orders are good because it gives you a blueprint of how to orig. restore the car, so you wouldn't put sidepipes on the car if they weren't originally ordered.
As for the trimtag, the only things missing in the car is the drivetrain and seats , I got everything else,(chrome exterior app. package, interior app. package chrome, whole dash, headliner(black), and speedometer 120mph, 22,739 miles. Plus allthe suspension, steering, and brakes as I posted in my pics.) The only thing I don't know is if it had deluxe or standard seats, or shoulder belts. I found a former owners' dad in ny, son owned it in79', he' s gonna try to get me in touch w/ him, he sold it as partscar,it seems they owned 2 camaros the other blew its motor and they tried to reg. mine, motor ran but rear was still blown from back in the day so they never drove it, apparently they parted it out seats, steering wheel, rs grill, wheels, until they sold the carw/ motor to I guess the man I am now chasing about pulling the motor in80' nearby. He didn't speak of selling the tags, but it would seem reasonable if it was getting picked apart, that someone who had a 396 and a 67' camaro might just need L78 tags to make his small block look like a legit BB, The father didn't think the motor 427 was orig, because he didn't think they came w/ them in 67'. It sounds like it had dual quads at that time also, but this would coincide w/ the rest of the cars race components that had been installed back when it was racing, they knew it was an old drag car but knew nothing about it being a yenko when they bought it, I hope to get more info from the son and locate who they bought it off, I'll keep trackin' her back to the protectoplate if I gotta.

[Charley Lillard]

In my opinion the other guy does not have a Yenko, he has tags and maybe a Title. I see nothing wrong with restoring this car back as a Yenko .

[sYc]

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In my opinion the other guy does not have a Yenko, he has tags and maybe a Title. I see nothing wrong with restoring this car back as a Yenko .

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So, in your opinion, Berger should spare no expense in restoring this car, as it is a Yenko, and once completed, will be worth the investment, as once completed, it will bring the same $$$ as other documented '67 Yenkos.

[Charley Lillard]

I have no idea if he should spare no expense as I have no idea what his financial situation is. I think if restored as a Yenko it will be worth alot more than a Camaro but less than a Orig tagged Yenko. If he restored it as a Yenko what would the SYC consider it ? And would Ed issue it a Certificate ? There are cars out there that are nothing more than Titles and Trim tags that are still selling for Supercar Money and considered Supercars so why should this car be treated as a lessor car ? Great discussion Fodder.

[sYc]

I agree with most of what has been said, except for the part about the missing tags. Here is why. I know of more then one instance where tags from one car were installed on another (accident, rust, other?) with the remaining pieces of the old car left for salvage. Then one day, the body reappears, thus 2 cars with the same VIN. I owned one of 2 '66 Shelby Mustangs with the same VIN and I have been told there is a ZL-1 out there that this has happened to and I know of at least one instance of a Yenko race Corvette being in court over a similar type situation.

And what if the person with the tags had posted first,
would everyone be telling him instead that he has a Yenko? It is a Yenko, but who has what? We all have our opinions of which is of more importance, the body or the tags, but in reality, who can really say, except for a judge? Acknowledging a car's heritage is one thing, its' ownership a whole 'nother ballgame.

[camarojoe]

I know I'd much rather have a real Yenko with missing VIN and trim tags than an original set of Yenko tags riveted to a non-supercar. If the guy with the original tags to this car ever surfaced, I would say all he has is a couple of cool collectibles for his scrapbook, not a Yenko car. As far as value goes, no question a car that hasn't been messed with and has all its tags in place, etc. has more value than one that doesnt, but as Charlie said, there are plenty of cars out there that many consider supercars which are really just original tags riveted to a different body. At least this is a real Yenko car, not just a real Yenko VIN tag. JMO.