Corona Virus Member Discussion

[Lee Stewart]

[Lynn]

I agree Steve; as opposed to Italy, where they apparently had a perfect storm for this.

With only about 60% as many cases as in China, the actual number of deaths EXCEED those in China by about 800. Not doing something right.

[SBR]

Originally Posted by Lynn

I agree Steve; as opposed to Italy, where they apparently had a perfect storm for this.

With only about 60% as many cases as in China, the actual number of deaths EXCEED those in China by about 800. Not doing something right.

My guess is that the numbers quoted by China are no where near accurate.

[Lynn]

Originally Posted by SBR

My guess is that the numbers quoted by China are no where near accurate.

You may be right about that. Still, Italy seems to be way worse than everywhere else, at least when it comes to mortality rate.

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by Lynn

You may be right about that. Still, Italy seems to be way worse than everywhere else, at least when it comes to mortality rate.

Italy just called out the military to enforce the lockdown

EDIT: Lombardy the epicenter of the epidemic is where 100 soldiers will help enforce the lockdown, not all of Italy as my statement alludes to.

[Woj]

Great discussion gents. Too many unknowns to predict where this will go and how long it will last. So many varying opinions on the lethality and contagiousness of this disease. As previously mentioned, we can only take care of ourselves and our families. Many things, including disease, kill Americans everyday in large numbers. The press is bashing the gov’t for lack of medical supplies and equipment. No one builds a church for Easter Sunday, and the same can be said for the medical world and its supply chain. We are all playing the hands we are dealt and hope that our elected representatives make good decisions. Hopefully we will be surprised that these extreme measures pay off in the end.

On a lighter note, check out this George Carlin comedy routine regarding germs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29l...43mUlo&index=1

Phil

[Lee Stewart]

[Lee Stewart]

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals

New York State’s long-feared surge of coronavirus cases has begun, thrusting the medical system toward a crisis point.

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.

In the Bronx, doctors at Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center say they have only a few remaining ventilators for patients who need them to breathe. In Brooklyn, doctors at Kings County Hospital Center say they are so low on supplies that they are reusing masks for up to a week, slathering them with hand sanitizer between shifts.

Some of the jump in New York’s cases can be traced to significantly increased testing, which the state began this week. But the escalation, and the response, could offer other states a glimpse of what might be in store if the virus continues to spread. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Friday urged residents to stay indoors and ordered nonessential businesses to keep workers home.

State officials have projected that the number of coronavirus cases in New York will peak in early May. Both the governor and Mayor Bill de Blasio have used wartime metaphors and analogies to paint a grim picture of what to expect. Officials have said the state would need to double its available hospital beds to 100,000 and could be short as many as 25,000 ventilators.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...cid=spartandhp

[Lynn]

Crush said: "So what should WE do? Where is the balance?"

I am not a health care expert, nor am I an economics expert. I just believe the economists (and one of my best friends is an economist) should be involved in the discussions.

I live in a small town; Guthrie (population 10,000). I office in a larger town, but still relatively small; Edmond (80,000).

Tuesday evening both City Councils met. My economist friend is on the Edmond City Council. His personal belief was that it would be a mistake to forcibly shut down the restaurants. He thought they should just scale back, take extra precautions, serve less patrons. However, there was virtually no support from the community for that position. His words to me: "I am not going to the mat for them, if they aren't going to express that preference." And they didn't. Edmond voted to shut them down, following the Oklahoma City model.
Guthrie voted to leave them open and let the public decide if they want to eat out.
BTW, the Oklahoma City model was to close all restaurants, excpet for take out or drive up service.
Guthrie has no mandatory shut down for retail. But, the local WalMart is closing each evening at 8:30 instead of being open 24 hours.

Completely shutting down factories is also overkill. Sherri and I are living life as usual for the most part OTHER THAN TAKING EXTRA CLEANING PRECAUTIONS, NOT SHAKING HANDS WITH ANYONE, AND KEEPING OUR DISTANCE. However, we monitor our temeratures every morning. If we see a spike, we are staying home. Our 25 year old came to the office to see us today. He is a bartender, and currently laid off. He is also a kidney transplant patient, and therefore more susceptible to infection. We normally hug. Today, he stayed on the other side of the room and got an "air high five". He has been trained (and actually does it) to wash his hands multiple times a day.

We had multiple clients in the office today, and I have four appointments on Monday; all have confirmed they still want to come in. We make no contact. Clients also get the "air high five". When I give them a pen for signing docs, I break open a brand new wrapped pen, squeeze it out the end, so that I never touch it. I wash my hands after every appointment, even though I have not touched a soul. Sherri washes down and sanatizes the conference table (fortunately it is glass) after every appointment.

My son in law is also a kidney transplant patient, only two years removed from surgery (on another note, I am probably the only guy in town whose wife AND daughter are both kidney donors; Sherri to Zack, our 25 year old, and my daughter Jenny, to her husband). We normally get together every two weeks for a family dinner. My son in law will skip this Thursday, just because he is comrpomised. We also have a family dinner rule: if you are sick, don't come. Send us all a text telling us you love us and miss us. That isn't anything new. We ALWAYS encourage them to stay home if sick.

These are just my personal choices. Common sense, and take extra precautions. Sherri and I went to WalMart today. I was actively looking and making certain I did not get close to anyone. We waited 10 feet away for the lady in front of us to finish checking out. We wiped down the handle on the cart before we used it. We wiped down again after leaving the check out area (self check). By far, the most likely way you are going to be infected is from breathing minute particles from someone elses cough, sneeeze, or if you are close enough, just breathing. Yes, you can get it just from touching an infected surface, but most viruses don't live long away from a host.

We also went into a local bank today. I normally don't use the handicap button to open the door, but I did today. I didn't even touch that with my hand. I used my elbow. One teller had on a mask. Our teller had on latex gloves. After transacting our business, we sanatized. BTW, I was in a hurry to get another $1000 paid to each of my grandsons, so we could quickly add $1000 to each of their Roth IRAs. Not a lot, but wanted to get into the market during the bargain days; which we will do Monday. $1000 isn't much, but they are only 7, and we estimate that each $1000 will grow to over $365,000 in 60 years. Off topic, I know.

Someone made the comment that it is time we all work together, instead of arguing. Maybe that would be a great topic for another thread. Covid-19 survival suggestions for those not ready to panic and shut the Country down.

This is likely to have typos galore. I didn't proof it.

Have a great weekend. My shoulder is well enough that I plan to do some work down at the shop and piddle on some of my beater cars.

[Lee Stewart]

Over 60? Here are the 30 Worst Coronavirus Mistakes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp

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