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Old 01-06-2007, 11:08 PM
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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.

For the record, this car makes me...

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Unlike Pontiac which retained its actual buildsheet invoices, Chrysler retained only production percentage records, which Galen has. This is where the novices get into trouble when they attempt advanced statistical analysis where they shouldn't. For example, if they hypothetically built 20,000 Road Runners and the records say that 1% were built with a hemi, that would give you 200 cars. If the records also say that they built 20,000 Road Runners and 1% were painted Panther Pink, also resulting in 200 cars, you would NOT then take 1% of the 200 hemi car number to extrapolate out that 2 cars were Panther Pink hemi Road Runners. It just doesn't work that way, but unfortunately people see numbers and go crazy.

Here is the type of addendum that Galen attaches to his records: This is the one for my Charger. Of the 112 built according to the production percentage records, 50% were four speeds and 50% were automatics resulting in 56/56 even split. Oddly enough he has found records of 56 cars still existing for his registry: 1/2 of the entire production. Of those known cars, mine is "one of one" according to him. Theoretically there could be 29 other hemi four speeds out there that are also R/T-SE combination option cars in red but it's quite unlikely. In his 56 car record he has 15 other hemi R/T-SE Chargers, which works out to about a 26% rate of R/T-SE to R/T ratio. So if I wanted to extrapolate I would say that 26% of the 112 should be R/T-SE hemi Chargers or about 28 cars total. As you can see you could do anything with the the numbers. So based on my faulty assumptions, start hunting: there are 13 more duplicates of my car out there somewhere in barns, garages, brothel parking lots...


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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.


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If you read Steves response above, you'll see this is not correct. No claims can be made for "1 of 1" status except in very rare (pun not intended) circumstances. If a certain percentage of an option put against a total production equals 1, then you may have that. But then there's the rate of error, which could mean there's another one out there. And then there's Canadian and Export production, which has its own documentation. That's why there's more than one 1970 Hemi Coronet R/T ragtop. In this case, there are at least three.
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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.


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If you read Steves response above, you'll see this is not correct. No claims can be made for "1 of 1" status except in very rare (pun not intended) circumstances. If a certain percentage of an option put against a total production equals 1, then you may have that. But then there's the rate of error, which could mean there's another one out there. And then there's Canadian and Export production, which has its own documentation. That's why there's more than one 1970 Hemi Coronet R/T ragtop. In this case, there are at least three.

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You are quite correct in your not agreeing with me!? (This is how I win arguments with my wife )

There is no accounting for any margin of error of results that are less than the number 1, and also export and Canadian cars. That is how we ended up with 11 1971 Hemicuda ragtops of the original 7 thought to be produced. (7 US production cars + 1 Canadian and 3 Export cars)

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No, I *was* agreeing with you. I was using your post as evidence that the other gentleman was not correct.
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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.


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If you read Steves response above, you'll see this is not correct. No claims can be made for "1 of 1" status except in very rare (pun not intended) circumstances. If a certain percentage of an option put against a total production equals 1, then you may have that. But then there's the rate of error, which could mean there's another one out there. And then there's Canadian and Export production, which has its own documentation. That's why there's more than one 1970 Hemi Coronet R/T ragtop. In this case, there are at least three.

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Sorry for confusion, my reference should have been for those in the Chrysler registry, ie. your car is 1 of 1 with this color combination/drivetrain/etc. for cars in the registry.
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