Petition GM for all GM car info ???

[JBB]

I think it would be great to have GM info, but lets look at the big picture. If those documents were released to the public, are we aware how many fraudulent vehicles would be found and how many law suits would be started due to that information? And that could bring suits against G.M. for not releasing the information sooner (possibly, I am not a Lawyer) Not to mention the fact that a percentage of reproduction car parts are sold with the intent (knowingly or not) of people making cars to suit their tastes, and or to misrepresent vehicles as a different car (R/S to Z28 or SS 396 to a COPO ect. I spoke to a legal person at Chevrolet (name withheld) and they stated off the record we will never see those build lists. There is way to much money involved in aftermarket parts and such,
so consequently I don't think it will never happen.......Joel

[Jeff H]

I personally don't think we'll ever see any information on Chevrolet cars. Regardless of whether it exists or not. And I don't see why GM would ever be worried about being sued over it. Why would GM have any responsibility if someone bought a fake/cloned car? The biggest risk might be the new privacy laws but that information could be masked out before releasing information. GM seems to be in a downward spiral right now so documenting 30-40 year old cars is not something they're worried about. But I'll keep my hopes up, it never hurts to be optimistic.

[Belair62]

Maybe we should promise them we will quit buying Toyotas and Hondas.

[whitetop]

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Maybe we should promise them we will quit buying Toyotas and Hondas.

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Let's see here:

My parents Toyota Avalon Made in Ky or TN not sure which plant: 143K miles (seniors who travel alot)and no problems whatsoever other than new tires and brakes and a alignment or two. (..they are seniors after all). Replaced the battery last week because going to Va. to visit my sister and her husband this weekend. Battery still worked fine but did not want to take a chance. Car still rides like a new car at this mileage.

My wifes 2002 Camaro (V-6) made in Canada. Now has 21k on it. Front engine seal replaced at 6k miles, power window switch at 10k, Traction control sensor replaced last winter. God forbid what this car will have done to it by 143k miles like my parents Avalon.

This is why GM is going down the tubes.

[Mr70]

Everyone here is bringing up valid points,but when I talked to Jim M. earlier this year,his biggest concern/frustration was to try & enforce GM facilities throughout to STOP throwing out the records they have left into the garbage.
It doesn't matter what they ultimately decide to do with them in the future,if all the remaining records are COMPLETELY gone by then.
Every day,somebody,somewhere in a GM Building is throwing out a Box filled with old paperwork.And No one over there really knows what's in them,or even Cares.

[hugger_69]

Most "Excellent" Point Rick.

[ANDY M]

This is true. I have a friend who is a consultant at the GM Tech Center, and while he is not involved with cars as a hobby, he told me that he has seen dumpsters full of old records being pitched. He also told me that some of it wasn't that old, like from last year.
Since he is a consultant, and doesn't work for GM, his job is to figure out how much it costs GM to build a car. Seems that they don't have a clue. GMAC makes more money than the cars they manufacture. The pension benefits cost more than the profit made from cars an trucks, and since Honda and Toyota don't have the UAW to deal with, (no offense to any union guys), but that saves them tons of cash.
Bottom line is that GM has bigger things to worry about.
Andy

[Belair62]

Whitetop...I would still prefer to keep my car AND repair dollars with GM...or Ford...even though they all have tentacles worldwide...they may have problems but ...I would rather see this company stay an AMERICAN company...maybe I'm just getting old or something...but I'm sick of seeing old American companies get bought up by overseas concerns...just because Toyota et al have plants here doen't mean it's all happy happy...it's still Toyota...JMO

[Salvatore]

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Whitetop...I would still prefer to keep my car AND repair dollars with GM...or Ford...even though they all have tentacles worldwide...they may have problems but ...I would rather see this company stay an AMERICAN company...maybe I'm just getting old or something...but I'm sick of seeing old American companies get bought up by overseas concerns...just because Toyota et al have plants here doen't mean it's all happy happy...it's still Toyota...JMO

[/ QUOTE ]WOW Bob, You even sound educated! Belair for President! Our first Italian President.

[ANDY M]

GM and Toyota have been partners for years, co-producing Nova's and Corollas, Geo and other Toyota models. GM is also partners with Subaru, Suzuki, Izusa, Kia and other companies in Europe. The motor in the Saturn Vue is made by Honda. Very reliable.
Ford is part owner of Mazda, and builds cars in Flat Rock MI that roll off the line as both Ford & Mazda.
Chrysler has been part owner of Mitsubishi for years, etc. etc.
It's a global market. Get over it.