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Because we have to assume this site, like many others, is frequented by a few unscrupulous people who seek this information to turn a profit. I don’t get why this is so surprising or contentious.
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Hey folks-
to kind of stick a fork in this and call it done. I had posted the ebay listing because i was interested in the car, only reason being that it was represented as a X22 car, which would be perfect for the L78 "bitsa" powertrain i have sitting in my garage. My interest is i am 50 years old, a young buck compared to some folks here, and i want to expand my knowledge, not get in a pissing contest over who may be right or wrong. To put this in perspective, i work for an OEM that if one...just one dealer questions something that is 100 percent correct, i still get questioned on it, so i always want to know "why" As far as criminals trolling the site, i would not worry about data plate information the way some folks here rip a car up one side and down the other from a few pictures. so get off the high horses, the cars with provenance will always have it, 100% all the time, it is as simple as black and white, we are talking about a "grey" car here it will never have the provenance to be a 100k car. I took it upon myself to do a side by side comparision of the data plate from the auction, and the data plate from my old LM1 car. I was able to spot some differences, weather i am right or wrong....now i can be dangerous and say "from my 35 years with these cars" what is a real plate or a repop. shame we can't all get along in this together.....but some folks will always be "these are my toys, and you can't play with them"
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When Roy Sinor was with NCRS, they found something like 29 data points on the fake tags (or plates) and were able to spot them easily. After a lot of clamoring and pleading (I believe mostly from guys who bought cars with fake tags unknowingly, and refused to believe they were duped) they released information on just a few (something like 6... would have to ask Roy again). Within weeks the fake tag makers had corrected all the issues made public.
Is that what we want? Do we really want every little tag pointed out on a public forum? The fakers will then be able to make the perfect fake. I know I don't want that.
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Chris,
You did the right thing with the comparisons of the tags and you learned something from that. I do not believe this is a pissing contest at all and I really believe if you sent Kurt, Jonsey or others your question they would gladly speak with you on that.... Especially if you were interested in the car. Any of your posts that I have read have always been kind, informative posts and I dont believe anyone is not commenting on your questions to be a donkey. I truly believe they are really trying not to have the info in an open forum for some jag offs to get an education on how to perfect their "craft"
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I dont see a need to post the reason why this tag is a reproduction.
I dont want to help anyone get better at making these undetectable. You can blame the reproducers for my reasoning. Not sure why I am the bad guy here. I am here to help and will continue to do so.
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"The angle of the strike and the position set of the die characters relative to the final adjustment could change the look of the plate but we were permitted little variation, however we also had two suppliers for characters used and the shapes did vary on the angles slightly between suppliers and character shape"
"One supplier was primary and used for the majority of the work" |
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Another quote from the retiree:
"The body plate was not subject to legal VIN script tolerance requirements and as such was never intended to identify a coach external to the assembly process". "We had size and spacing and dimensional tolerance requirements for the plate relative to the top script and the federal script." |
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Something else to add to this is if you notice it appears to have zero black paint on the tail pan but you can see frost under the blue but no black.. So that should add to the red flags on this car. No dog in the fight just sharing what I see besides the "trim tag".
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