1969 Copo ?

[bergy]

Last I heard, the owner was going to have someone "certify" the car. He told me the name of the certification person (I & others never heard of him). I sent him a list of things to look for & instructed him to make sure that nothing gets taken apart. He said that he wanted me to look at the car, but wouldn't give me his phone number. I'm still waiting for a call from him.

[William]

Nobody can certify a non-OE drivetrain no docs car as a COPO.

After 15 years in the Camaro business I sold every part needed to create the appearance. All the noise about BE axles and TH400 cross members cracks me up. In the late '80s one of our customers did a near-perfect clone using an 06A Florida car. Frost Green, green standard, automatic. Wonder where it is today...

[Charley Lillard]

I could see a situation where a known group of Copos were built for a dealer and done in a sequential run. Maybe this car could fall within that group. Example would be the body #'s before and after were both Copos. I would probably then think it was a Copo. Not enough to certify it but enough to believe it.

[William]

Even Gibbs ZL1s were not all in sequential body number order. The #3 ZL1 isn't in sequence with other known Berger COPOs.

All Camaro orders submitted by a dealer at the same time may be in body number order. JMs '69 book has Z/28 shippers for N623127 & N632342. Body numbers are 307027 & 307028. Dale Chev here in WI had many performance Camaros. 3 of their L72 cars still exist, one is not in body number sequence with the other two. I will bet some of the non-performance orders they placed are in sequence with all three.

As you noted, really doesn't mean much.

[the427king]

"Nobody can certify a non-OE drivetrain no docs car as a COPO."...............I had a 350ss 4 speed late build x11D80 with factory cowl induction. If someone took a used heater box and core,3/8 fuel line, and a BE rear, and removed a few small block items, that car would be more "certifiable" than many ive seen.

[bergy]

Once again, IMO - original paperwork, ownership history, & certification.......all 3 are important. It appears that the car in question has 0 of these 3 critical pieces (so far).

[COPO CARTEL]

At some point ....good old common sense prevails ....not the cookie cutter crap ....until you see it for your own eyes ...don't pass judgement .....to many negative people on this thread ....AND ....NO I AM NOT A PERSON OF INTEREST ON THIS CAR [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[William]

Judgment is defined as &quot;an opinion or decision that is based on careful thought.&quot;

In my case that is over 38 years in the hobby including 15 years of Camaro business experience. Just to ensure you get it I will repeat it.

Nobody can certify a non-OE drivetrain no docs car as a COPO.

[Stefano]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Judgment is defined as &quot;an opinion or decision that is based on careful thought.&quot;

In my case that is over 38 years in the hobby including 15 years of Camaro business experience. Just to ensure you get it I will repeat it.

Nobody can certify a non-OE drivetrain no docs car as a COPO. </div></div>


William,

My intent with this post is not to challenge you only to provide another point of view. You and I as well some others in the industry completely disagree on this matter.

You can in some circumstances prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a 1969 Camaro is indeed a COPO L72 and in some cases you may also be able to prove some of the factory options on said vehicle.

Whether or not you individually choose to believe that particular vehicle is a 9561 COPO L72 is up to you. But the case wherein a certification can be provided by someone, is valid.

I have seen at least one certification from a prominent &quot;core member&quot; of CRG, wherein, the Camaro certified had no paperwork, none of the original drivetrain, was not directly in a body and/or vin sequence, had no dealer or long term owner history etc and did receive a certification. While I may not agree with that particular certification. It is obvious that in the hobby and even amongst CRG members that there are some varying opinions.

Certainly the perceived and or realized market valve of a paper-worked, documented and or original drivetrain COPO 9561 Camaro may far exceed that of one without such proof.

[COPO CARTEL]

What's your problem. I can read YOUR OPINION ..and I do not need for you to repeat it ....visual is good medicine to form an opinion. Ones opinion is not the final say in any discussion....since we BOTH haven't seen this car ...I guess we both only have opinions .