Fred Gibb Paper work

[Nancy Gibb]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Glenn Powell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mr. William: &quot;THERE IN THE BEGINNING&quot; Where were you in the beginning? Show me! Don't run your mouth talking about it, that's the easy way.
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The '69 ZL-1 Camaro was not marketed by Chevrolet like the rest of their models. The cars were secret deals between Vince Piggins and a handful of special dealers. It was barely marketed by Fred Gibb; a few tiny ads in some of the pulp car mags back in the day. Few people knew about the cars; most of those who did couldn&amp;#146;t afford one. Gibb could not sell them and likely could not pay GMAC for them. Chevy had to take 37 of them back and force them on other performance dealerships. They could not sell them either, several were stolen. Dealers swapped out the engines to get rid of them. They never really dominated drag racing; Bill Jenkins &amp;#146;69 PRO Camaro wasn&amp;#146;t one of the production run and ran a 430&amp;#148; Reynolds Can-Am block for much of the season. Early ZL-1 cylinder blocks and heads had structural weaknesses that led to problems in racing. The &amp;#146;69 ZL-1 Camaro was largely a failure and was soon forgotten by the few people who knew about it.
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif[/img] IT was a deal with FRED GIBB and VINCE PIGGINS, THEN other DEALERS got wind of it and were upset so 19 more were built. OUR HOME IS FULL OF PAPERWORK, ADDS ETC......That YOU are more than welcome to look at and read!My Mom saved even the ledger book from when my Dad sold Kaiser Fraisers until 1984 when they sold the FRED GIBB DEALERSHIP. The problem SIR, was because the ORIGINAL QUOTED PRICE was in the $4,900. area, and showed up Jan. 1968 with a STICKER of OVER $7,000. You are MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME TO OUR HOME AND SEE ALL THE ADDS ETC....PROMOTING THE 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1's. Oh, AND scrap books, photo albums, newspaper adds ETC.about the 50 COPO NOVA's, and 50 COPO ZL1's. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/[/img]
Perhaps you didn&amp;#146;t see the other thread. As I stated had BP not bought #3 in 1981 and started digging for info, the story of the ZL-1 Camaro could have been lost forever. Vince Piggins notebooks would have probably gone into the trash when he retired. BP would not have contacted Fred Gibb and got his juices flowing. Fred may have eventually tossed the paperwork because there would have been no reason to keep any of it. Most of the cars would be unknown-just like &amp;#146;69 ZL-1 Corvettes.

&amp;#147;In the beginning&amp;#148; is defined as August 1981 Super Chevy magazine; all 69 VINs were published. I was on the ground floor of the research with BP and Mr. C, who relentlessly chased the cars and rescued many. I had sources and also chased them. When I located one of them I asked BP for assistance. We spoke regularly, swapped info and helped each other. When BP completed the #1 restoration he thanked us by placing our names on the car. He repeated the gesture when Car Craft featured #1 in the Dec &amp;#146;89 issue and again in John Hoopers&amp;#146; 1969 Camaro Reference book. He mentioned our business in the excellent February &amp;#146;95 Chevy Hi-Performance feature of a ZL-1 dyno test. #1 &amp; #3 have been featured numerous times in top automotive publications starting with Hot Rod March &amp;#146;83 &amp;#147;Endangered Species: Stalking the Wild ZL-1 Camaro.&amp;#148; Automobile Quarterly recently did a ZL-1 feature and ran a large photo of BP launching #1 on the strip.

Sorry, I don&amp;#146;t have anything to &amp;#147;show&amp;#148; you. I have never owned one. All I did was experience the ZL-1 renaissance unfolding and develop from a forgotten part of Chevrolet history to where it is today, a muscle car legend. All I can do is &amp;#147;run my mouth&amp;#148; about who did what and virtually all of the credit goes to BP.

For the record Vince Piggins and Fred Gibb will always be rightly known as the progenitors of the ZL-1 Camaro. But in my opinion without BP doing what he did there would be not be a 2012 ZL1 Camaro.

Nothing you can say or do will change my opinion because as I stated, I was there in the beginning.


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[Charley Lillard]

Glenn. The ZL1 was pretty much forgotten. Nobody in general knew they even existed until Porterfield surfaced with the first one I had heard of. Porterfield is in my opinion the guy that put Fred and Dick back in the spotlight. I don't see why people have a problem with him reviving exciting people and times.

[Glenn Powell]

Charlie: I told everyone my opinion about undeserving
opportunist when i was in Collinsville a few years ago. If I
meet up with you some day, I will express my opinion again.
I was one of those that helped write the history. I will not fight any more about this in front of a moniter pounding on a key board.
Have a good one ya'll.......Glenn

[old5.0]

I read threads like these, and I wonder if Mr. Gibb and Mr. Harrell are up in heaven right now, watching the drama, shaking their heads, and wishing they hadn't bothered.

[Charley Lillard]

Howie you are wrong. I think I paid 150K for # 3. Maybe you are equally wrong about other facts ?

Glenn... I didn't know anyone was fighting. You are obviously a part of ZL1 history but once again I will state that Porterfield is who is the most recent guy to put ZL1's, Gibb and Harrell in the spotlight. You can call people opportunist's but it really doesn't change the part of history Porterfield has had in the ZL1 world.

[Kim_Howie]

Charley ,as I stated I heard that was the price. looks like I was wrong.


We all have our Heros.
Fred Gibb was and still is mine.
Bill is not.


I have made my point and I am done.

Thank You SYC

[sYc]

William, I doubt if Fred would have tossed the paperwork, that generation, who experienced the depression, does not throw anything away, and the like the Yenko family, and others, the Gibbs are no exception.

Except for the paperwork they loaned to a couple folks, and what mysterious disappeared, they pretty much have everything. I have seen some of the paperwork, so I know that exists, and have heard that their basement has a lot of really cool stuff from back in the day, both dealership and racing.

[Nancy Gibb]

&quot;THANK YOU&quot; Mr. Clary! THAT IS THE TRUTH! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img]

[William]

What might have happened is of no consequence. Who made it happen is.

[Xplantdad]

Just one question...who is Mr. C (Apparently, he is &quot;He should not be named&quot;...LOL) [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]