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Old 03-05-2020, 03:28 PM
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Or pursue both autonomy as well as driver involvement and give the customer the option to decide the use occasion ...?

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Old 03-05-2020, 03:36 PM
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Point:

400 miles is not shabby. So what this means on a trip is that you will have to plan to stop to recharge at 6 hours under ideal conditions perhaps 5 hours with hills max. If you are hauling a load or towing even less. As long as you route to hit chargers and you do not mind the wait.

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There is zero anxiety anything with ICE. I can go as far as I want all I do is buy a tank of gas.back on the road in under 6 minutes usually the cup of coffee and the restroom break takes longer so we will say 10 minutes to be fair.

Lets have some fun with this...so I am gonna hash tag and bold (#) where EV's achieve parity with ICE right now.

Travel when I want #

Travel where I want

Travel the route I want.

No anxiety with Hills and mountains

No anxiety with Hauling-Towing

No anxiety with wilderness Off road trips

No anxiety using PC's watching movies, or charging phones in vehicle.

No anxiety with a long delay in traffic due to a wreck or traffic jam.

No anxiety due to long lines to fuel.

No anxiety due to delays while fueling is occurring.

No anxiety as to my cost to travel via taxation.

No anxiety as to repairs if it breaks down (pretty much anyplace)

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Ok I see only 1 # listed above anyone disagree?

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There is zero anxiety anything with ICE. I can go as far as I want all I do is buy a tank of gas.back on the road in under 6 minutes usually the cup of coffee and the restroom break takes longer so we will say 10 minutes to be fair.

Lets have some fun with this...so I am gonna hash tag and bold (#) where EV's achieve parity with ICE right now.

Travel when I want #

Travel where I want

Travel the route I want.

No anxiety with Hills and mountains

No anxiety with Hauling-Towing

No anxiety with wilderness Off road trips

No anxiety using PC's watching movies, or charging phones in vehicle.

No anxiety with a long delay in traffic due to a wreck or traffic jam.

No anxiety due to long lines to fuel.

No anxiety due to delays while fueling is occurring.

No anxiety as to my cost to travel via taxation.

No anxiety as to repairs if it breaks down (pretty much anyplace)
Tenney,

It is not exactly about fun or roller coasters. Please tell me what am I missing here?
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Old 03-07-2020, 08:46 PM
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Tenney,

It is not exactly about fun or roller coasters. Please tell me what am I missing here?
Don't think you're missing anything, Phil, per your take on the free market sorting things out. Spot on.
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Old 03-05-2020, 04:10 PM
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Old 03-05-2020, 07:56 PM
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Maybe once every 10 years am I driving 6 hours straight unless it is in a old car on a road trip. How often does everyone drive over 400 miles or say 300 miles to account for the range depleting things you mention. My guess is a 300 mile range will cover 95% of peoples yearly driving.
As to travel cost due to taxation you are paying gasoline taxes every time you fill up.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:19 PM
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Good point. For short trips when there is no time pressure yes.

For most working class people time is money and everyone is is a rush all the time these days. GM comes up with a battery that will recharge in under 10 minutes they will have a winner.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:32 PM
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300 miles is a short trip ? I'm saying most of the time people are not even driving 300 miles per trip. How many miles do you drive to and from work each day ? Do you do that 5 days a week ? My guess is you can drive a electric to and from work each day, run errands etc and simply plug in at night when you are sleeping. My guess is most working class people drive much less than 300-400 miles each day so simply plugging in at night should be fine.
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Old 03-05-2020, 10:10 PM
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Zero. Retired.

I consider 300 miles a pretty short trip. That is only 4 about hours in a car. Pretty easy to do actually if you are going to swap meets every weekend here around the east coast.

The point I guess I am trying to make here is most families have two vehicles and both of these have to go to work as well as longer trips. It is all about convenience and being time efficient. When you are off and you have to be someplace nobody wants to screw around they want to get there and get back.

A guy I used to work with had a Bolt to get to work and he got it only because he had a ton of points on his GM card and his accountant told him to take advantage of the $7500 dollar US Government tax incentives offered towards the purchase. He also had a Hemi Ram, and a CTS for everything else.
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Old 03-05-2020, 10:34 PM
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How do we recharge our EV at night when there is no sun to generate solar energy? I only put 6000 miles on my Tacoma in the last 2 years so an EV regular cab pickup would probably work for me if somebody decides to build one.
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