GM Nationals @ Carlisle

[Charley Lillard]

Who's that young thug that keeps getting in the way of the car ?

[Steve Shauger]

I believe he is the grandson of the orig owner.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I wish that both events were held on different weekends or the same weekend together. That way I would be able to enjoy both. This "bickering" and spitefulness between the two groups is really a downer especially from car enthusiasts as dedicated and passionate as the people who put both events on.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish that both events were held on different weekends or the same weekend together. That way I would be able to enjoy both. This &quot;bickering&quot; and spitefulness between the two groups is really a downer especially from car enthusiasts as dedicated and passionate as the people who put both events on. </div></div>

First I did not start this thread for any other reason than to promote the GM Nationals @ Carlisle, our Vintage Certification Program &amp; Solid Lifter Showroom.

The reasons for the ACA decision to move is outlined in the link below. To me there are no groups... If the Camaro Nationals and GM Nationals were on different dates I would participate in both.

I have a lot of good friends that went to the Camaro Nationals and others went to GM Nationals. If you read Karls explanation it appears he, Rick and their families just felt it was time due to the demands of the show and changes in priorities. When the ICC show ended Karl &amp; Rick developed the ACA and a new Camaro Nationals. They have moved on and the MCC has stepped in and continued with it in Maryland. Both shows have moved forward and there is no need to speculate or turn this into a he said, she said. It's not an ideal situation but it is what it is. Like you I had heard many different stories, but the link below is the real story. Hopefully in the future one show will change their date.

http://www.americancamaro.org/phpBB3...?f=2&amp;t=463

[Kim_Howie]

I was there last year Had a great time. The solid lifer was a lot of fun. I had one guy who was a problem. But all in all it was fun. Kim

[mockingbird812]

What is this special color paint on the RAIV?

[wolfeman]

The color is 1966 Barrier Blue

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The color is 1966 Barrier Blue </div></div>

I would love to see that car at the upcoming MCACN. It would be a huge hit and in great company. www.mcacn.com

[jl8z28]

Steve you guys have been doing a great job with the Vintage Certification, Just wondering why you decided not to go with the Camaro Nationals.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jl8z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve you guys have been doing a great job with the Vintage Certification, Just wondering why you decided not to go with the Camaro Nationals. </div></div>

Hi Guy, It was a natural progression that after 10 years of certifying exclusively the Camaro we have chosen to expand into other makes and models. When our program started participated in the MCACN 2009 in Chicago we did just that by including Chevelles, in fact members on this board participated (Grady’s 69 COPO, Phil W. 69 Black SS and Joes’s 70 LS6). At that time Chris White joined our team, and we have had great success since. Prior to the ACA/ Carlisle split I mentioned to Bud S.that we would like to start certifying other models as well, but the split came and the rest is history.

The decision to stay at Carlisle came down to our desire to continue to expand into other makes and models. Also my thinking was that since there is no concours Chevelle judging (that I'm aware of) we would include a Chevelle restored class (Vintage Elite Certification). This will be a challenge since the Chevelle Nationals are the same weekend. But for those with restored and unrestored Chevelles our judging team includes both Jeff Dotterer and Chris White who have a wealth of knowledge on Chevelles and in fact had a Chevelle Diamond Class Concours judging program at a the nationals in years past.

As I stated before if the shows were on different weekends I would find a way to participate in both. I had to make the same decision (because its on the same weekend) with the Bloomington Gold Survivor Show which I was on their Zenith board.. I have not participated in that show because I can't be at both shows (although one year I was at Carlisle Thur, Fri and left Sat night and flew to Il.for that Sunday show.


There were no personal issues with the ACA, the Vintage Team appreciated the time we spent at the Camaro Nationals and all those associated with it especially, Bud, Karl and Rick. My goal is to be challenged from a judging standpoint, learn as much as I can, share our findings and have a great time with friends. I accomplished that this year.

If you want to be treated to an outstanding muli-make and model muscle car show spend a weekend at the ww.MCACN.com and you will be blown away with an awesome display of the best muscle cars in the world.