What would you Pay GM for Official Documentation?

[camarojoe]

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...if I contact you with Knowledge, You can pass it on to the Deuce Community etc.

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Sure. I will be glad to pass on any Knowledge you contact me with and pass it on to the Deuce Community etc. and/or anyone else interested.

[12bolt]

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I hate to drag this up...but Jim Mattison...who worked in the COPO department when they were making these things and is also the man responsible for PHS...has undertaken the Chevrolet Division records debacle...I think the road is not too smooth.GM is a strange machine.

[/ QUOTE ]I have Mad respect for Jim Mattison and all he has done in the Past with the COPO program and his assistance to this very day as he took the time to assist me even! I am aware of his involvement with the PHS as well. I am Guessing Jim to be at least 60 Years old at this point in time Possibly?? Maybe older. PHS can be keeping him busy as well as the obligations that come with age to ones own Health, The Health and welfare of Family Members etc. Jim May be overwhelmed and tired of the Battle. I do not know. Maybe there are Jealous people who do not want him to have the same success with Chevrolet that he has had with Pontiac. Possibly an old Co worker who is now in a position of Power and capable of Blocking the success of his efforts. One thing is Certain. People want this! the other thing that seems certain is the lack of enthusiasm to fight the battle differently. when you smash your head against a wall and all you get is a sore head, try using a Sledge Hammer. It works better! anybody that can or wants to Help, Feel free to PM me with any connections you may have in the Automotive media. Or any Ideas or knowledge on the subject you may have. your name will be kept private unless you say otherwise. Me, I am heading out to the garage for a Jackhammer. I do not think a Sledge is gonna Help. If that Jackhammer does not work, we can always get some Dynamite!

[Charley Lillard]

Jim are you reading this ? 12 bolt is calling you old....

[Verne_Frantz]

12 Bolt,
Just wanted to say I enjoyed your post about the Cobra story very much.
You have the right attitude, in fact, the ONLY attitude that will produce results. I learned a long time ago that you don't find any treasures if you don't go on a treasure hunt.

Because the information does not exist (yet) for the cars of my area of interest, I've had to dedicate myself for the last 23 years to accumulate it by documenting original cars (the backwards way of doing it). But inspite of all that, nothing is as good as original docs from the General.

anyway, just wanted to let you know your attitude is a breath of fresh air.

Verne

[55chevy]

Yeah them PA guys can get a bit rowdy.. I should know

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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Yeah them PA guys can get a bit rowdy.. I should know

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Why? 'cause we threw you out to Oky You need to come back, new Nova chapters are forming around here!

I think Jim has been spearheading this for several years, and has been very persistent with the powers at GM. We continue to support him and his efforts - and he's not 'old'. I think his copo could beat 12bolt's copo though

[55chevy]

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Yeah them PA guys can get a bit rowdy.. I should know

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Why? 'cause we threw you out to Oky You need to come back, new Nova chapters are forming around here!



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Wish I could!.. kinda stuck here for now.. I haven't talked to Bushey or my other Nova buddys for a long time now..

[Pantera]

I started to undertake this same project but was educated by those that had tried this before me not to waste my time.

Chev and GM uper managment has no die hard car guys like years ago. They are fighting for their lives right now. You will get nowhere with them. They are only concerned about their job and how to keep it.

This same project has been tried not once but 3 different times in the last 15 years, by the NCRS (Corvette Collectors) and if someone like them, with their direct line into Chev can't make it happen then the slim chance that anyone else, and not as well conected will succede is perchance doomed before you even get started. I was informed that the then head of Chev tried to find the records and they just don't exist anymore.

We have to stop and consider that we are acustomed to a computer world and what we want is not on a computer but was recorded on punch cards and they took up too much room and were pitched years ago since nobody could forsee a future need for the details of the info that they contained.

I know this sounds hard to understand but there have been major changes in the record keeping world in the last 35 years. That is a long time to hord huge amounts of paperwork with little or no value. The old plants have been abandoned and or destroyed along with the records they contained that were pitched long ago. Chev division outsold every other division by a huge amount and we have to remember the little transactions of every car or truck sold by them would be intermixed in those paper records.

The only remaining records are totals of what sold with what options so that future directors could use that info to make better decisions by looking at the past mistakes and or successes. The detail of who bought what and with what options was not deemed necessary to retain and also someone would have had to go back through huge amounts of paper files to compile it on to a newer computer and it just was not done.

I have it on good authority that there are many that are working on this project still. All we in the hobby can hope for is that somewhere, somehow, there are the records we long for. After 1970 there may be a chance of some computer records but before that the chance is slim.

Pantera

[gemleeus]

al may know someone with those records!

[Canucklehead]

I remember reading somewhere where the info is just not there and was destroyed years ago. Believe it or not it just may be the truth, sure it would be easy for an exectutive to say that to stop being bothered, but that could very well be the case and all this speculation is pointless. Sad to say but we may have to face this fact.