Top Day 2 Musclecars?

[68l30]

Interesting discussion. I believe Day 2 is a slippery slope, especially if you want to try to classify it. I think historicly most cars that are called Day 2 had a metamorphous thru their lifetime. IMHO Day 2 in the purest sense was the "First Period" a group of modifications done almost immediately. Such as wheels ( not necessarily tires) , small bolt ons, exhaust....crude lettering if raced ( often shoe polish) but retaining a " Stocker" outward appearance. The next few weeks or months morphed into a "Second Period" missing more stock items, bigger tires, paint work, different hoods, roll bars, major suspension mods...becoming more track-race only. I believe from here out, competitive adrenlin and the classification / rulebook pushed the rest into " Third Period" glass panels and tubbed rear, custom painted, showcars or caged race cars. It's easy to put a time frame on Day 2 parts, but what about the time frame of the build? Is it really Day 2 or Month 2?

From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, "period correct" aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What "phase" of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index....

I believe there are a lot of great Day 2 cars out there. Lot's of time frames and transitions to enjoy.......Honor the period and stay away from Summit! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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[PxTx]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, &quot;period correct&quot; aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What &quot;phase&quot; of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index....

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Instantly thought of the movie Two Lane Blacktop. Did the 55 have an advantage over the GTO- maybe all it had going for it were aftermarket rims.

So the 55 wasn't a pure Day 2 car. Maybe I'm less of a Day 2 fan and more of a fan of the aftermarket products from the 1960's!

Also a grudge race/ street race / sleeper / underdog fan. Kinda like how the SCR has encouraged even non-super car rides to participate in the drags.

Hard to bottle it all up, but if you could create a compitition similar to what was happening in an unclassified way on the streets of the USA during the Muscle Car era- that would be magical. Fastest Street Car Shoot-Out circa 1969!

[bulletpruf]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, &quot;period correct&quot; aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What &quot;phase&quot; of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index....

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Hard to bottle it all up, but if you could create a compitition similar to what was happening in an unclassified way on the streets of the USA during the Muscle Car era- that would be magical. Fastest Street Car Shoot-Out circa 1969! </div></div>

You nailed it. That's the basic premise.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting discussion. I believe Day 2 is a slippery slope, especially if you want to try to classify it. I think historicly most cars that are called Day 2 had a metamorphous thru their lifetime. IMHO Day 2 in the purest sense was the &quot;First Period&quot; a group of modifications done almost immediately. Such as wheels ( not necessarily tires) , small bolt ons, exhaust....crude lettering if raced ( often shoe polish) but retaining a &quot; Stocker&quot; outward appearance. The next few weeks or months morphed into a &quot;Second Period&quot; missing more stock items, bigger tires, paint work, different hoods, roll bars, major suspension mods...becoming more track-race only. I believe from here out, competitive adrenlin and the classification / rulebook pushed the rest into &quot; Third Period&quot; glass panels and tubbed rear, custom painted, showcars or caged race cars. It's easy to put a time frame on Day 2 parts, but what about the time frame of the build? Is it really Day 2 or Month 2?

From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, &quot;period correct&quot; aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What &quot;phase&quot; of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index....

I believe there are a lot of great Day 2 cars out there. Lot's of time frames and transitions to enjoy.......Honor the period and stay away from Summit! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

BIG </div></div>


A friend has a 68 Chevelle SS396. It was bought new as an L78/M21 car and was immediately put into street racer service. This is an unrestored car that has never been abandoned to the back of the shed or the south 40 and has never been &quot;just&quot; a driver. It's evolved through the years from it's modded L78 origins and now sports an 18* small block on two guns with a Liberty 5-speed and ladder bars and is <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> street raced regularly.

So what's Day 2? Day 3? Year 2? Cars evolve and it's tough to nail down a hard cut-off for what is or is not Day 2. As you say, a slippery slope.

[bulletpruf]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting discussion. I believe Day 2 is a slippery slope, especially if you want to try to classify it. I think historicly most cars that are called Day 2 had a metamorphous thru their lifetime. IMHO Day 2 in the purest sense was the &quot;First Period&quot; a group of modifications done almost immediately. Such as wheels ( not necessarily tires) , small bolt ons, exhaust....crude lettering if raced ( often shoe polish) but retaining a &quot; Stocker&quot; outward appearance. The next few weeks or months morphed into a &quot;Second Period&quot; missing more stock items, bigger tires, paint work, different hoods, roll bars, major suspension mods...becoming more track-race only. I believe from here out, competitive adrenlin and the classification / rulebook pushed the rest into &quot; Third Period&quot; glass panels and tubbed rear, custom painted, showcars or caged race cars. It's easy to put a time frame on Day 2 parts, but what about the time frame of the build? Is it really Day 2 or Month 2?

From a competition standpoint, can a Day 2 1965 build race a Day 2 1970 build and not be handicaped? Cubic inchs aside, &quot;period correct&quot; aftermarket parts dramaticly improved. What &quot;phase&quot; of Day 2 would line up with what? Class and index....

I believe there are a lot of great Day 2 cars out there. Lot's of time frames and transitions to enjoy.......Honor the period and stay away from Summit! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

BIG </div></div>

Excellent comments. I think Day 2 is limited to basic bolt-on mods. Probably better if you have a cutoff for all mods at 1971 or so, as mentioned earlier. That way, the 65 Chevelle Z16 can race the 69 Chevelle L78 and have more of an apples to apples comparison.

I think this has merit as an actual racing class, but for that to be feasible, you need to keep the rules simple, reasonable, fair, and somewhat easy to enforce. Hence the limit on the more in-depth modifications.

Thanks

Scott

[68l30]

Good comparison on the TLBT cars. One far removed, but period and the other in a very early Day 2 transformation. Perfect counterpoint to my comment but validates the build phase when not taken into consideration. Day 2 stops after some point...Era correct takes over when the build fits a time period.

Great topic! BTW, love that Chevy II.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img]

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[Schonyenko2]

2 cents worth. Being from the 60s/70's the biggest issues for winning street races was getting traction, and breathing. A L78 Nova with factory E70 tires from the factory would be dead meat running a stock 340 duster/cuda with L60's and a good gear. Cam changes, and motor internals usually happened after you got your ass handed to you by some dick wad mouth runner. It was a natural progression like Big said. Day 2 started with the big three. Headers, Big meats and wheels, and slapper bars. The rest depended on your testosterone level, money, and traffic arrest record.

I do miss those days.

[bulletpruf]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 cents worth. Being from the 60s/70's the biggest issues for winning street races was getting traction, and breathing. A L78 Nova with factory E70 tires from the factory would be dead meat running a stock 340 duster/cuda with L60's and a good gear. Cam changes, and motor internals usually happened after you got your ass handed to you by some dick wad mouth runner. It was a natural progression like Big said. Day 2 started with the big three. Headers, Big meats and wheels, and slapper bars. The rest depended on your testosterone level, money, and traffic arrest record.

I do miss those days. </div></div>

Excellent comments. That would be real easy if you wanted something that really complements the PS cars and allows owners to change to Day 2 format in an hour or two.

[442w30]

Shouldn't we look at cars that were built by the factory to be Day 2 cars?

Not everything in the showroom ran well stock. Boss 429 comes to mind. What else?

- 1968-69 W30
- 1970 W30 4-speed
- 1968-70 W31?????

Do you agree with the above? What else would you add?

[bulletpruf]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shouldn't we look at cars that were built by the factory to be Day 2 cars?

Not everything in the showroom ran well stock. Boss 429 comes to mind. What else?

- 1968-69 W30
- 1970 W30 4-speed
- 1968-70 W31?????

Do you agree with the above? What else would you add?

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Boss '9 cars are interesting, aren't they? I don't think they would be super competitive in this format. Cam and exhaust would help, but I don't know if they have enough hp to overcome all the weight on the front end.