LS6 Build Sheet

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Igosplut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To that end, do you have any idea why the willow run cars have the smaller broadcast sheets rather than the norm? </div></div>

No - just local plant preference.

You will find it varies within the same plant, too, as they tailor the document to meet their specific needs for that assembly area.

K

[TAR6569]

That's not a broadcast sheet. I don't know what those were called, it has the info from the cowl tag, with some options and were mostly used by the person putting the seat cover on. I have some Chevy 2 broadcast sheets from 68/69 (Body and Chassis Broadcast copies), they used those and the cards for each car.

When I took a tour of the Flint plant 2 years ago, I asked the tour guide what they do with all the paper. He said it gets thrown away. There's a spot on the line where most of that stuff gets removed, papers and inspection stickers, etc.

Warren

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not a broadcast sheet. I don't know what those were called, it has the info from the cowl tag, with some options and were mostly used by the person putting the seat cover on. I have some Chevy 2 broadcast sheets from 68/69 (Body and Chassis Broadcast copies), they used those and the cards for each car.</div></div>

Not sure which document you are referring to, but the one I posted is in fact called a build sheet. Could also be called the build manifest.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I took a tour of the Flint plant 2 years ago, I asked the tour guide what they do with all the paper. He said it gets thrown away. There's a spot on the line where most of that stuff gets removed, papers and inspection stickers, etc.</div></div>

I used to give those tours at Flint Assembly (34 years ago).

[SS4Real]

While I respect your opinion, I would caution you to be careful on fact versus belief. Your statement <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;that all these build sheets were supposed to be removed and thrown away at the end of the lin</span>e&quot; </span>implies a factory procedure to specifically remove and throw away build sheets that is clearly contrary to the many that exist today. While it makes sense to clean out a car before it leaves the factory, nobody has yet provided a corporate directive that documents the requirement to remove build sheets or not. Hence, the belief they were supposed to be removed is not supported unless you can prove that. As you say, they were just pieces of paper back then. Hard to remove ones that are glued inside panels or under the carpet as they simply became part of the car.

Would you please provide some kind of proof that supports your statement that build sheets were supposed to be removed and thrown away? Thanks.

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I respect your opinion,</div></div>

Thank you -

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is clearly contrary to the many that exist today.</div></div>

When you say &quot;numerous&quot;, or &quot;many&quot;, you mean between 4 and 5 million, right? I mean, I watched roughly 1.1 million trucks go by while I was leaning on the foreman's desk at Flint Assembly during the first eight years of my career alone. Roughly one per minute for 8 years.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> While it makes sense to clean out a car before it leaves the factory, nobody has yet provided a corporate directive that documents the requirement to remove build sheets or not. </div></div>

I will check some representative PAD sheet for various programs to see what I can find.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hard to remove ones that are glued inside panels or under the carpet as they simply became part of the car.</div></div>

Absolutely. I thought I had said as much; inside the door trim or on top of the fuel tank= car gets built up around them. Loose papers inside, inspection tickets, stickers, etc, = thrown away.

As I mentioned earlier, I have been in a GM assembly plant within the last few weeks and stood at the final line and watched the workers throw away every loose piece of paper they found in the vehicle.

By the way, I've learned my lesson now: I keep the paperwork from the interesting/significant ones.

K

[SS4Real]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Seymore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will check some representative PAD sheet for various programs to see what I can find. </div></div>

Thank you. Since this thread is dealing with the LS6 build sheet, any information regarding that 1970 era would be welcome by all, especially documented factory procedures. The passion around this car and era is the subject of frequent discussions as you can imagine so anything that is relevant to procedures from 43 years ago is very valuable and I'm sure you can understand must also pass the scrutiny test before it becomes accepted. Blanket statements are the toughest so that is why I challenged you on the build sheet process. I have yet to see any proof if they were supposed to be thrown away, kept in the car, or it simply did not matter back then. When somebody takes a specific stance on the issue, I would like to know why and I appreciate the debate in good spirit!

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Would you please provide some kind of proof that supports your statement that build sheets were supposed to be removed and thrown away? Thanks. </div></div>

Reporting back with a quick update -

I have heard back from my contacts at Flint Assembly, Fort Wayne Assembly, Arlington Assembly and Detroit-Hamtramck. They have provided Manufacturing Process Sheets which define cleaning the car of any extraneous labels, stickers, papers, build documents, loose material, etc. on either the final line or &quot;care&quot; (pre shipping) lines.

I also asked owners of Assembly Manuals (PAD/PDMs) for 66/67 A car, 68/69 A car, 70-72 A car, 73-87 Truck and 67/69 F car. The A car guys have reported finding pages documenting key placement and window sticker (Mulroney Label) location but nothing relative to clean up. I have not heard back from the vintage Truck or F car guys.

K

[britgrnz]

My dad worked at a Chev. dealer for 30+ years getting new cars ready for delivery.Wash,wax &amp; undercoating.Clean all stickers from windows. He used to bring home a stack of build sheets every once in awhile so the kids could use them to draw on,or use them to start the wood stove.When i worked there in the summer i always found them in with the wheel cover packaging,or laying on the floor.Can't remember any special cars-just a few Z/28's and Vettes{Mid 70&quot;s}.Most of these cars/trucks came from the Janesville plant.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Great discussion guys.

Do you guys know where 1969 Fremont Chevelle Build sheets ended up, (if they stayed in the car of course)

Ryan

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great discussion guys.

Do you guys know where 1969 Fremont Chevelle Build sheets ended up, (if they stayed in the car of course)

Ryan </div></div>

Not specifically, but check the usual suspects (top of the tank, in the door, under the carpet, in the springs of the seat cushion, in the A pillar, behind the headliner, etc.).

K