ZL-1 #1 Mecum May 15 - 17

[bergy]

It's really nice to have folks (also legends) in our hobby that just love cars and want to help other enthusiasts. Thanks Gibb family!

[Mr70]

Is Joe Z. the current owner of ZL-1 #1?

[DW31S]

I sent the photos I took of that car from the "Fire Weekend" to a member here to be posted. Hopefully, they will be here shortly. I helped Bill Porterfield sort through the damage and we did get the car running at that event (Super Chevy Indy 1991). It definitely wasn't close to being safe to race. When the pictures are posted you'll see what I mean and appreciate the time, effort, and money it took to return the car to it's present condition.

[NRA4EVER]

Although true they may of not charged anyone to use the Fred Gibb name/logo, if they decide they dont want you to have it anymore their lawyer will be sending you a letter stating so and then it could REALLY cost you, and I wonder why the car show name changed? Hmmmm, glad i'm over here on the west coast......

[Nancy Gibb]

NRA4EVER.....I know when YOU FIRST posted here, your ADDRESS was ILLINOIS, MAYBE EVEN IN THE LAHARPE,ILLINOIS area. YOU need to STOP THE LIES and TELL THE TRUTH, " THE FRED GIBB MEMORIAL CAR SHOW" NAME WAS DROPPED/CHANGED BECAUSE KENNY BROWN AND BOB LIONBERGER, MY DAD'S FORMER SON IN LAW OF 6 YEARS, SENT US, HELEN, CONNIE, AND NANCY GIBB A MEAN EMAIL WHICH I WILL BE GLAD TO POST HERE, SAYING "THEY" WERE CHANGING THE NAME BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS BETWEEN THE BOB LIONBERGER FAMILY AND THE GIBB FAMILY. NOW IF YOU NOTICE, IT IS KENNY BROWN AND "BOB LIONBERGER" THAT ARE RUNNING THE NEW SHOW. THEY ARE TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT WAS CHANGED ALSO BECAUSE MY MOM, HELEN GIBB WOULD NO LONGER ALLOW THEM TO USE THE FRED GIBB NAME!THAT IS A LIE, AND SOOOO SAD THAT IT ALL STEMS FROM BOB LIONBERGER THINKING MY MOM SHOULD GIVE HIM SOME OF HER LAND. I HAVE REMAINED QUIET SINCE THIS ALL BEGAN LAST AUGUST. PEOPLE ARE ONLY HEARING ONE SIDE, BUT MAYBE POSTING THE EMAIL SENT TO US, AND A FEW PHOTOS OF THE LAND BOB LIONBERGER THOUGHT WE OWED HIM WILL HELP STOP THE LIES! WE HAVE GIVEN, INCLUDED, TREATED BOB LIONBERGER AS A SON-IN-LAW, AND BROTHER SINCE 1967 UNTIL LAST AUGUST WHEN HE DIDN'T WANT US TO PUT UP A MATCHING PIECE OF WHITE VINYL FENCE TO FINISH OUR LAND BOUNDRIES, BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT PIECE OF LAND ANYWAY, AND WITH THE LAYOUT OF HIS NEW GARAGE, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IN HIS NEW GARAGE THROUGH OUR FENCE! WE HAVE RESURVEYED, RECHECKED PAPERWORK AT THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE, BUT HE STILL THREATENS MY 89 YEAR OLD MOTHER WITH A LAWSUIT! HE SAID HE LOVED MY DAD AND OUR FAMILY, BUT SURE HAS HAD A FUNNY WAY OF SHOWING THAT......SHAME ON YOU BOB LIONBERGER, DAD MAY BE GONE, BUT HE STILL IS IN HEAVEN WATCHING WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO HIS FAMILY. I WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO LIST EVERTHING IN THE EMAIL, BUT WE WERE PRETTY MUCH TOLD IF WE CAME TO THE SHOW OR IF IT REMAINED THE 14TH ANNUAL "FRED GIBB MEMORIAL CAR SHOW", THAT NO ONE WOULD COME OR SPONSOR CLASSES. SOMEDAY, THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT, BUT IT IS JUST SO SAD THAT SOMEONE WE ALWAYS TREATED LIKE FAMILY AFTER A DIVORCE EVEN, DECIDED HE WAS THE ONE TO CARRY ON THE FRED GIBB NAME AND HISTORY. SORRY TO HAVE POSTED ALL OF THIS, BUT I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE LIES AND BASHING BY SOME, OF "FRED GIBB", AND HIS LEGACY.

[rnlz28]

This doesn't even deserve a response - people know the truth.
Bob Lionberger

[Nancy Gibb]

I would be more than happy to post the email we were sent on January 2, 2012, and to share how "YOU" used the FredGibb.com website, which RICH MC CABE GAVE TO ME AND THE FRED GIBB FAMILY, to advertise YOUR NEW CAR SHOW. I have tried to remain silent on all of this, but out of your spite, don't you think YOU have done enough damage? And I treated YOU like a brother since 1967, and Mom and I included YOU in EVERYTHING in our life, especially even after your 6 years with my sister,and the DIVORCE, when SHE wasn't included. This isn't really the place to speak to you Robert, but I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.....Sell your house you lived in with my sister, and MOVE ON. PLEASE don't think with all you have now done and said about our family, YOU should be out acting like you are promoting FRED GIBB, OR FRED GIBB CHEVROLET. Show this to the friends you have if you want, but they will only hear the truth.

[William]

C first saw the list when Super Chev printed it. Everyone had the same opportunity so no one can cry foul. [It should be pointed out that ZL-1 values at that time were laughable. The #55 car, still one of the finest unrestored '69 Camaros, was advertised in the mid-'80s for $65,000]. Unlike today searching for the cars at that time was easy and casual. Wasn't all that hard to find someone with NCIC access; I had maybe 15-20 names and was able to locate one of them. There's maybe 10-12 that have never shown any registration for a variety of reasons and I'm sure a few of those still exist.

I jumped in here to set the record straight. BP has been involved with the Fred Gibb/ZL-1 story for nearly 25 years. No one has done more but several have earned more. He was awarded the documents and may do with them as he pleases.

While I'm at it Mr C also dug up quite a bit of ZL-1 info and did share it for some time. Both he and BP were helpful in our restoration of the #4 car.

[hvychev]

Very interesting info, thanks William.

It must have been a glorious time back in those early days of rediscovery, history was being unraveled every step of the way. I'm sure it wasn't nearly as cut throat as it is now due to the lack of players involved and info available. Most importantly, the value of these cars wasn't even close to what it is today which made the stakes lower. It must have been quite the experience tracking one of these old ZL1 owners down and going to their house to see that garage door lifted to unveil a lost treasure! Wow!

By the way, as you stated, Mr. C. had just as fair as a chance as anyone out there to go out and capitalize on the ZL1 phenomenon. You have to admit, he was an innovator! Only in America! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

[William]

Garage? By the time I tracked down #4 it was parked on a lawn in Kuna, Idaho with a For Sale sign in the window. They were happy to get rid of it. The previous owner had bracket raced it at Firebird Raceway. There were several other Camaros competing there at the time, most notably another Cortez Silver ZL-1, the #13 car. Neither owner knew.

Around 1983 a friend called to say he spotted a nasty '69 at a repair shop near his home. It was on a battery charger so the hood was up and he noticed the BB heater. Turned out to be the #38 car, a Fathom Green auto. All there other than the engine. I should have bought it. Just wasn't that big of a deal at the time. Think he sold it for $2200.