Original motor vs. replacement

[Xplantdad]

Don, Your car is beautiful...

[Alss]

Here is my .02 as well. My COPO does not have its original motor and I am almost glad that it doesn't. In todays market with all the " SH%#TY" people restamping motors to "make" a numbers matching car, and with the type of use these cars were intened for, flags always wave when a car states it has the "original numbers matching motor" I feel My CE block is acceptable for these cars as they were raced pretty hard. It helps that I have build sheets, POP imprints, the warranty repair order for the motor and other docs to back the car up. Does it hurt the value?? it may but not a substantial amount..the car is what it is and no one can change that.

ALbert

[ohhawk]

I think njsteve and Rick H have summed it up well and the market prices have been reflecting this for quite some time. Kind of a sliding scale down with docs AND matching #'s being the top combination.

Don, did you see Legendary Motor Co. sold their version of your car recently?

[Don_Lightfoot]

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Don, did you see Legendary Motor Co. sold their version of your car recently?

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Didn't know that Dick, they had that car for quite a while. Wonder what it went for?????

[Verne_Frantz]

Craig S.,

The answer to your question is very simple.

Imagine TWO IDENTICAL cars.......one with it's original engine, the other with a replacement. It doesn't matter whether they are '68 Baldwin-Motion Phase III Camaros, Hemi Cuda convertibles, or '49 Nashs. One one with it's original engine will always be worth more.

Of course, there will be cases where due to different equipment or documentation between 2 cars, the one with the replacement engine may be worth more.....but to answer your original question, I think we (you) need to consider IDENTICAL cars in every aspect other than the engine....

[Mr70]

You had me,right until you brought up the 49 Nash.

[AutoInsane]

Good point Verne but that begs the question how much less should a car be worth with the CE block?

I had signed a contract to buy an Orange 70 1/2 Camaro 396/375 from Legendary Motor Cars a few years back. It was represented as numbers matching. (the price was $24,000) I subsequently found out it was a CE block and walked away from the deal. I am still kicking myself buying that car. I was just unsure as to the value with the CE block.

I would think in a more rare and sought after vehicle the numbers matching would matter less. Who here would pass at a Yenko with a CE block and would it really be worth that much less especially in today's market of guys tripping over one another to bid on cars?

[Verne_Frantz]

Autoinsane,
How much less? Only the buyer can determine that. An impossible question to answer and apply to all cars.
Certainly, the Yenko with the CE block you mentioned would command a very high price, but again, what if there was an IDENTICAL Yenko next to it but with it's original block?

[mr396]

What if you had a 69 yenko with a non original motor, and a 69 camaro, all original 6 cyl with paper work.I would pay more for the yenko.I guess it all depends on the car.If you have paper work on an original car,I think a CE replacement engine would be fine but wouldn't be worth as much as an original,and would be worth more then a car with a non matching engine.I am glad I bought my car 20 years ago.It would be hard to know your getting an original car today, with repoduction protecto plates,window stickers,broadcast sheets, heck even repo 69 camaro convertible bodys.

[Jeff Murphy]

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It doesn't matter whether they are '68 Baldwin-Motion Phase III Camaros, ...

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But since the Motion car by definition didn't have it's original engine, as Joel had to take it out to make it a Phase III, how do we think about that? How do you verify the engine Joel put in it? Does it come down to a correctly dated CE engine vs a non-correctly dated CE engine?



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