Early build engines to late build cars

[chadk]

I just bought an L72 from a 2nd week of Feb. Janesville SS427. The casting date is K 14 7 and the assembly date is 12 01.

[TAR6569]

Our 68 SS427 from Janesville was built 4th week of July and the engine was assembled January 11th so that did happen.

[bergy]

Happens frequently - particularly with Winter engine builds. My L72 - with POP built 05E with a T0128MN engine. Tonawanda is in Western NY - inventory was first in last out!

[Geneo]

I know the complete history of my car the engine matches the vin it all matches

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Happens frequently - particularly with Winter engine builds. My L72 - with POP built 05E with a T0128MN engine. Tonawanda is in Western NY - inventory was first in last out! </div></div>

It all depended on how the pallets were stacked, how fast certain assemblies were needed on the line and when the next batch of pallets arrived and got piled on top of the older ones.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[Paul_S]

Also there was a somewhat rare chance (hopefully) that completed assemblies were held for quality clearance due to issues with components and/or process.

Paul

[Day2_69Z]

my take on this Pallet and use as needed topic is;
higher volume stuff and more common cars received engines and trans relativity close to build status
Lesser volume cars were more sporadic and low volume cars are randomly picked from inventory...
Special order or extremely low production stuff may have been real close in build dates assuming all or most components were on hand or in close proximity.
Exceptions rule and one offs are at best damn close
My assumptions are based on many cars I've worked with on, worked with, parted out or did motor swaps, and cherry picking better engines for replacement or upgrade.
There was a time we had every Chilton book or Motors Manual and Checked every engine #'s on stuff we touched.

[70 copo]

I agree.

Here are some of the Manufacturing and scheduling issues that could cause date abnormalities with drivetrain components at Norwood.

A QA/QC hold at blocks at the foundry, or at the Mfg plant. (Flint MI or Tonawanda NY)

Scheduling or logistical problems with the rail road and inclement weather (snow storm -floods-mechanical rail problems)

Railroad strikes, teamster strikes

Strikes at the foundry or the Mfg plant

Problems with Logistics and Application 35 lead time build scheduling. Errors here were miss counts and just Having enough workers to get the rail and trucks loaded and then unloaded timely and in the build system to meet the established production schedule. No bar code scanners yet it was a manual count.

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree.

Here are some of the Manufacturing and scheduling issues that could cause date abnormalities with drivetrain components at Norwood.

A QA/QC hold at blocks at the foundry, or at the Mfg plant. (Flint MI or Tonawanda NY)

Scheduling or logistical problems with the rail road and inclement weather (snow storm -floods-mechanical rail problems)

Railroad strikes, teamster strikes

Strikes at the foundry or the Mfg plant

Problems with Logistics and Application 35 lead time build scheduling. Errors here were miss counts and just Having enough workers to get the rail and trucks loaded and then unloaded timely and in the build system to meet the established production schedule. No bar code scanners yet it was a manual count. </div></div>

Phil,
Most of those scenarios you mention would result in an engine arriving late and holding up the scheduling of the car, rather than arriving earlier and sitting around for months before being installed in a chassis. As you know, a sequence number wasn't assigned until the inventories were checked and indicated that all the parts needed were at the plant.
Of course, by &quot;QC hold&quot; you may be referring to an engine failure at test run, requiring a rebuild and a delay which would result in an engine with an assembly date much earlier than the car assembly.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree.

Here are some of the Manufacturing and scheduling issues that could cause date abnormalities with drivetrain components at Norwood.

A QA/QC hold at blocks at the foundry, or at the Mfg plant. (Flint MI or Tonawanda NY)

Scheduling or logistical problems with the rail road and inclement weather (snow storm -floods-mechanical rail problems)

Railroad strikes, teamster strikes

Strikes at the foundry or the Mfg plant

Problems with Logistics and Application 35 lead time build scheduling. Errors here were miss counts and just Having enough workers to get the rail and trucks loaded and then unloaded timely and in the build system to meet the established production schedule. No bar code scanners yet it was a manual count. </div></div>

Phil,
Most of those scenarios you mention would result in an engine arriving late and holding up the scheduling of the car, rather than arriving earlier and sitting around for months before being installed in a chassis. As you know, a sequence number wasn't assigned until the inventories were checked and indicated that all the parts needed were at the plant.
Of course, by &quot;QC hold&quot; you may be referring to an engine failure at test run, requiring a rebuild and a delay which would result in an engine with an assembly date much earlier than the car assembly.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Verne,

If a block is held due to an issue with AQL that could be at foundry, or an issue with any number of suppliers including TRW. GM did not like scrapping anything and even had a salvage department in plant to recover and reuse damaged parts. These would be engines with a casting date or in some cases an assembly date that would be vastly earlier than the car that they ended up in.

No I do not know about &quot;sequence numbers assigned until the inventories were checked and indicated that all the parts needed were at the plant&quot;.

Let me explain...If things were running on time and there were no labor stoppages ongoing a block could be cast and assembled early in the week and make it to the plant at the end of the week where it was unloaded and sent to the line the same day it arrived.

This was what &quot;Application 35&quot; controlled. At Norwood the specific parts for an individual car were not even in plant at the time the key card was punched and the ramp up parts arrival timing was evaluated at the joint Fisher/Chevrolet production scheduling meeting which occurred 72 hours prior to the build out day. In this meeting the all production was reliant on the Application 35 production forecast for inbound materials. Even at this time it is very likely that the many of the individual parts for a car are still not in plant yet and this is 72 hours out from the build day. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]