Would a 435HP vette be considered a SUPERCAR?

[HiHorse]

The 1970 L78 Camaro is rarer than a 1969 427 COPO Camaro, why is that not in the SUPERcar category.
The L78 has square ports, 11 to 1's, solid cam, 4 bolt main,forged pistons, dimple rods,780 holley,etc same as the COPO, it is a race car same as COPO. The L72/L71/L78 Corvettes are race cars also, basically with same motors. Now the L88/ZL1 these are truely special race engines in a higher category. I think that if you call a L72 COPO Camaro a supercar then a L72 Vette is also one.

[ORIGLS6]

OK, I know I'll regret this but let's give it a try anyway.

The L-78 Camaro you reference, although a rare animal for 1970, was in fact available to the general public through ANY Chevy Dealer, just like the 435 HP Corvette. The LT-1 Nova (aka Deuce) was NOT an RPO code for the Nova in 1970. It was a specially built car made possible through the COPO process. General consensus here (the Supercar Registry/ sYc) is that RPO optioned cars DO NOT fall into the 'SUPERCAR' category as defined by this site.

Another example: In 1968 an automatic transmission WAS NOT available to the general public behind the L-78 in a Nova. Fifty of those cars were built; COPO 9738. In 1969 it was available to the general public so the M-40 equipped L-78 Novas in '69 & '70 are not considered SUPERCARS.

Confusing? It really has nothing to do with huge horsepower, or whether it's a BBC or SBC. It's more about Factory/Dealer built specialty cars here.

On other sites you'll find other SUPERCARS, such as Ferraris, Lambos, Maseratis, etc. It just depends on where you are.

[camarojoe]

Well said Cumby, and right on. The only thing I would add is that the COPO order in question needed to be some sort of performance oriented change or upgrade, not to build a taxi cab or work truck. To answer the original question quite simply.... no.

[ORIGLS6]

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To answer the original question quite simply.... no.

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Now why didn't I think of that! Ask me for the time and I'll tell you how to build a watch!

[69LM1]

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OK, I know I'll regret this but let's give it a try anyway.

The L-78 Camaro you reference, although a rare animal for 1970, was in fact available to the general public through ANY Chevy Dealer, just like the 435 HP Corvette. The LT-1 Nova (aka Deuce) was NOT an RPO code for the Nova in 1970. It was a specially built car made possible through the COPO process. General consensus here (the Supercar Registry/ sYc) is that RPO optioned cars DO NOT fall into the 'SUPERCAR' category as defined by this site.

Another example: In 1968 an automatic transmission WAS NOT available to the general public behind the L-78 in a Nova. Fifty of those cars were built; COPO 9738. In 1969 it was available to the general public so the M-40 equipped L-78 Novas in '69 & '70 are not considered SUPERCARS.

Confusing? It really has nothing to do with huge horsepower, or whether it's a BBC or SBC. It's more about Factory/Dealer built specialty cars here.

On other sites you'll find other SUPERCARS, such as Ferraris, Lambos, Maseratis, etc. It just depends on where you are.

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OK, then how about the 70 Z28 COPO? It was tied closely to trans am racing? It was not available generally, and less than 500 were made?

Do I get a star on my belly?

[Belair62]

No...but you are getting a red bullseye and we are going to use Tabasco coated pellets

[427king]

What is an LM1?

[69LM1]

http://www.69lm1.com

Basically, the 69 version of the 1967-68 L30/M20, but with less HP (255hp) but with many high performace options. They came with 12 bolt multi rear's and the base transmission was a muncie instead of the saginaw. Like the L30/M20, they had no external badging. Just a cool (In Charlie and I's opinion ) sleeper smallblock type car. Many are poverty cap cars, which make them look like.........

[69LM1]

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No...but you are getting a red bullseye and we are going to use Tabasco coated pellets

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N'awlins remember? Tobasco is good on anything!

[Late BrakeU2]

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OK, I know I'll regret this but let's give it a try anyway.

The L-78 Camaro you reference, although a rare animal for 1970, was in fact available to the general public through ANY Chevy Dealer, just like the 435 HP Corvette. The LT-1 Nova (aka Deuce) was NOT an RPO code for the Nova in 1970. It was a specially built car made possible through the COPO process. General consensus here (the Supercar Registry/ sYc) is that RPO optioned cars DO NOT fall into the 'SUPERCAR' category as defined by this site.

Another example: In 1968 an automatic transmission WAS NOT available to the general public behind the L-78 in a Nova. Fifty of those cars were built; COPO 9738. In 1969 it was available to the general public so the M-40 equipped L-78 Novas in '69 & '70 are not considered SUPERCARS.

Confusing? It really has nothing to do with huge horsepower, or whether it's a BBC or SBC. It's more about Factory/Dealer built specialty cars here.

On other sites you'll find other SUPERCARS, such as Ferraris, Lambos, Maseratis, etc. It just depends on where you are.

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O.K ..so if it's agreed that any RPO cars are excluded semantically from Supercar reverence,do the GMMG C5R race case cars qualify? They were only available through a limited dealer network-just like Bill Thomas/Dana/Nickey/Yenko,and were even emissions legal.Before you call them tuner cars,remember they share the same GM motorsports blocks which are in the ALMS Vettes that have won over 40 races from Lemans to Sebring to Daytona-pretty much mirroring what the L88's accomplished nearly forty years earlier.