1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!

[Steve Shauger]

I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

[69LM1]

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I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

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Hi Steve,
Like I was telling 427King, I am not quite sure (added value).

But, there is an average $100,000 difference between a Yenko COPO and a regular COPO and that is just a sticker change.

What makes a 69 COPO camaro bring more money than a 69 COPO Chevelle. Same powerplant? For that matter, a RPO L78 car is pretty close in performace (relatively) to a COPO.

Although I agree that performance wise, at speeds under 120mph (Did you read the article I scanned in on the ebay ad from Musclecar review?) there is no difference between performace between a 70 Z COPO and a 70 Z.

However, history wise, the 70 COPO was a major part of GM's SCCA racing ticket. It definatly made a huge performace difference over the standard Z relative to SCCA racing.

As we all know, GM was supposed to make a 500 run to meet the SCCA rules, but all indications (all 2nd hand info) are that they produced far less than 500 cars.

So, it really all boils down to this.
1. IMHO, the 70 Z COPO is to SCCA what the 69 COPO was to Drag Racing.

2. There were very few made, and of those only a fraction have bulletproof docs and can be guaranteed real (<1% total Z production).

3. If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo, what is a spoiler package that provided a drastic increase in performace worth, and one that influenced Camaro production (+10years!) that can only be compaired to the cowl hood option?

I know of one other sale that was far over the numbers I have been throwing out there.

[Steve Shauger]

Quote:"If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo"

I am not sure that is accurate, however a lot has to do with documenting these cars. Yenko paperwork adds value because most feel it is bulletproof. Most COPO's that I have seen for sale don't have paperwork, other than a certifications that are null and void. Also the double COPO incorporated in every Yenko add something.

Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

[SuperNovaSS]

Does that mean a true cowl good 69 Z is worth significantly more than an otherwise equal flat hood Z?


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

I would say no. I would personally rather have the non cowl good.

[Steve Shauger]

How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

[69LM1]

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

[69LM1]

Steve,
Not saying that this car is worth the same as a yenko.... I agree there. BUT, I do think it is worth more than a standard 70Z as well. The real question is how much, and is that relative to the worth between say a 69 BB and a COPO? Or a baldwin-motion. Even the BB cars that were converted after the sale at Motion seem to command a higher premium than the regular BB cars, when they have documentation to back it up, but not as much as a "Badlwin-Motion" doc car.

So, speaking in terms of paperwork, documentation and proof (the point that a yenko is more documented than a copo on average, if I understood your response), then this car is one of a very few that have backup documentation, and that documention has been verified by an industry trusted independant third party as real and authentic.

Of course, as the seller, I am looking for the best I can get. As a buyer, someone wants the best for the least.

This is definatly a niche car, and I have already had some pretty decent offers on it. Like I said, I know of at least one other that sold for a good bit more than I threw out here.....
Who knows, the market is pretty soft right now as we have seen. I may be out of line.....but, you could own this nice driver 70 Z COPO for the cost of a Concours 69 Z28. Everybody's got 69 Z28's, how many COPO Z's can there be?

I think we can all agree at least that it is an interesting car, and that the 1970 Z's, COPO or not, rock!

I will be keeping one of these two 70 Z's, and I really hope the Green 70Z sells (BTW Guys, I think 35k is a STEAL for that car, it IS in great condition, how many still have the cigarette lighter that still works?) before this one!

Thanks,

Rich

[69LM1]

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

[427king]

What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???