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Old 07-05-2006, 04:27 PM
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Very nice car. Would agree with some that the buildsheet needs further scrutiny especially when considering the dollars likely involved on this auction. I'm looking at a copy of a Baltimore buildsheet on an LS5 built one day earlier than this car and there are some differences that could be questioned. Also, would be the first LS5 buildsheet I've ever seen w/o the T60 HD Battery being listed.
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:50 PM
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Call me paranoid but the font on the build sheet doesn't look quite right.....close, very close, but just not quite right Beautiful car nonetheless, and excellent pictures
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Old 07-05-2006, 07:17 PM
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I can't see the Buildsheet on this screen at all.It's too dark & far away,so I can't comment on it.
Lakewood and all the other 6 Assembly plants built these in convertible form.Final destination did not determine plant built at.
No LS-5 Chevelle/Elco recieved the 4:10 posi rear on the assembly line floor.They recieved either a 3:31 open,(RU) or a 3:31 posi,(RV).Air conditioning had nothing to do with that.The 4:10 Posi was a solid Lifter engine application...L-78 & LS-6 ONLY.
The seller does not state anywhere that is the ORIGINAL 4:10 rearend,...but the CKK coded 4:10 posi was an 1970 L-78 Chevelle/Elco application only and with a date of 03 23 makes me believe it was stamped to fit the time zone of this particular Chevelle.I would like to know the casting No. & date of that rearend housing.. I would be suspect of that P-O-P for this reason alone.
Although the literature from back then does suggest that the New T-60 Side terminal R-79W battery must be ordered with the New 454's,examples do exist today that show they were ordered with the R-59 Top post battery origianlly.It was not as Mandatory as they led us to believe.

The incorrect stainless pedal trim and other hicups I see aside,I think this Chevelle is a nice looking ride as it stands.
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Old 07-05-2006, 07:17 PM
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Definitely a fake build sheet!!!!

The font is wrong as Bill pointed out. The tears in the paper are exactly that...a tear. Look at the torn edge and it's white wear the color didn't soak into it. brittle paper doesn't have that same "torn" edge. but there is a dead givaway. Compare the "STATEMENT OF ACCEPTANCE BY CARRIER" in lower right hand corner and compare it to a real build sheet.

Don't mean to talk in code but don't want to help make the fraud's better!
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:14 AM
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The main reason I originally made the post was that I felt the BS was a very good aged one (scary) with a couple discrepancies. The car "came" with everything one could desire, knowing what I know now and using a time machine I would go back and order it pretty much like it was restored, well maybe throw in a LS6 while I'm at it. Everyone here did not disappoint, thanks to all for the verification. Additionally, my thinking was that a car like this would be known to someone on this board from the local area.
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:14 AM
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Great information from all. I fully agree; keep busting the fake build sheets and POP's, but don't give out too much info on why you know it to be a fake. Even though, from a selfish point of view, I would really like to be more educated in this area.

What a shame. This car is absolutely gorgeous, and should bring some pretty big money just on its own merits. The fake documents really detract, in my opinion. Even if I were in the market for such a vehicle, I wouldn't be interested in this one.

I feel a bit violated every time I see the fraud that the greedy bastards are perpetrating on unsuspecting purchasers. Forged POP and forged build sheet, represented as original? That is fraud, same as a forged trim tag and a fake stamped VIN. If you get burned on one of these deals, or know of someone else who gets burned, contact the Attorney General's office in your state. I have recently filed a case in Southern Oklahoma for sale of a fake Z/28 with a forged trim tag and restamped "DZ" motor. I have already forwarded a copy of the Petition to the A.G.'s office, and they are interested in getting my discovery information as we go along.

As I have stated before, I am not a litigious guy (sounds funny coming from an attorney, I know) but the only thing that is going to dampen this kind of fraudulent activity is hitting the fraudsters in the pocket book.

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Old 07-06-2006, 01:46 AM
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I am not a litigious guy (sounds funny coming from an attorney, I know) but the only thing that is going to dampen this kind of fraudulent activity is hitting the fraudsters in the pocket book.

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Absolutely correct, Lynn. Unfortunately, it's a bit difficult and/or pricey for the average guy to do that. You have a big advantage there, and I applaud you for making the effort
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