Original motor vs. replacement

[Rick H]

I agree. The value of a documented "real" car with original factory installed numbers items such as the motor is more then say the same car documented "real" with a NOM. It is still a "real" car but the value would be somewhat less of an investment vehicle then the complete real numbers car.

Any car that can not be documented as real even though it may have what seems to be the correct motor would have a substantially lower value.

And any vehicle that can not be documented and does not have any correct drivetrain components would be considered the lesser value vehicle.

Rick H.

[69LM1]

Interesting.

I just put a brand new, unopened (other than for pics) 1969 396 (350hp or 325hp) warranty exchange block kit up for sale (Ebay item:4567196870). (Going to look at a Yenko)

What are you guys thoughts on worth with a warranty replacement, at least on a car that say has a (real) X66 trim tag?

[mr396]

here is the ebay ce engine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MakeTrack=true

[Don_Lightfoot]

This is very interesting and I'll provide my "two pennies" worth which has really not changed in the 15 years or so I have been back in the hobby.

I have what most would consider a very rare car. There is no original documentation with it and the block is a "CE" unit. In addition, the transmission and the rear end are not original to the car either. I have been able to trace the history back to the second owner who passed away last year. I also have good confirmation from a reputable individual stating he knew of my car from day one and was able to provide to me the original selling dealer. However, there is no confirmation available as to what "the original drivetrain" might have been as they were probably scrubbed or broken during the early drag days of the car.

Now, would this information I have satisfy a proposed purchaser? I really can't say and don't care to be honest, that would be up to them obviously. I would never attempt to misrepresent the car in any way as my ethics would not allow me to do that. All I could do is provide the history I have, let the quality of the car speak for itself and go from there. Let's face it, there are people out there that want the original numbers in addition to documentation. There are also people out there that want a quality car that just happens to turn their crank. The latter example is why I bought the car five years ago. I don't lose any sleep over things I can't control like numbers and documantation - I just enjoy the car which is what the hobby means to me.

Having said all that, to answer your questions I will provide the following responses:

APPEAL - I don't think the fact my car does not have the numbers and documentation lessens the appeal one bit.

VALUE - Most definitely effected by the circumstances mentioned. However, I care more about "fun factor" than "value" as I am not what would be considered an investor, just a hobbyist.

Guess I rambled on a bit here, sorry about that.

[Xplantdad]

Don, Your car is beautiful...

[Alss]

Here is my .02 as well. My COPO does not have its original motor and I am almost glad that it doesn't. In todays market with all the " SH%#TY" people restamping motors to "make" a numbers matching car, and with the type of use these cars were intened for, flags always wave when a car states it has the "original numbers matching motor" I feel My CE block is acceptable for these cars as they were raced pretty hard. It helps that I have build sheets, POP imprints, the warranty repair order for the motor and other docs to back the car up. Does it hurt the value?? it may but not a substantial amount..the car is what it is and no one can change that.

ALbert

[ANDY M]

Albert, I'm glad that you brought up the "driver" vs "Show Car" issue. My COPO has a CE motor, replacement M-21, but original BE rear end. I have no history beyond the previous owner, and the NICB that says it was shipped to Berger 6/2/69. Since I tell everybody who looks at the car that it's incorrect and incomplete, I get a lot less static.
If I were to put the car up for sale, IMHO, that would change dramatically. I drive it about once a week to a cruise in, but it's not any more than a #3 car on a good day.
You guys may have seen the pictures of it posted here, where I refered to it as a 20 footer. Point is, if you want a trailer queen, go for it. If you want a driver, go for it. It's not about the money until it goes on sale, or if you're in the market.
Andy

[69LM1]

Well said Andy!


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Albert, I'm glad that you brought up the "driver" vs "Show Car" issue. My COPO has a CE motor, replacement M-21, but original BE rear end. I have no history beyond the previous owner, and the NICB that says it was shipped to Berger 6/2/69. Since I tell everybody who looks at the car that it's incorrect and incomplete, I get a lot less static.
If I were to put the car up for sale, IMHO, that would change dramatically. I drive it about once a week to a cruise in, but it's not any more than a #3 car on a good day.
You guys may have seen the pictures of it posted here, where I refered to it as a 20 footer. Point is, if you want a trailer queen, go for it. If you want a driver, go for it. It's not about the money until it goes on sale, or if you're in the market.
Andy

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