69 Motion ZLX Camaro

[Belair62]

I was serious Whitetop ! I said it depends on who is driving.Not to say a Phase III is slower/faster or anything...If you have 2 reasonably similar cars and the one with all the goodies has the crappier driver...you get the point.

[SuperCars]

Bob, you've been watching Charley's dogs too much because you're barking up the wrong tree. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] Because then you'd be comparing driver against driver and who is the better driver; instead of Supercar against Supercar, to prove which Car is quickest.

Joe C, the "Musclecars" magazine cover photo is taken after the original owner took off the Phase III fiberglas hood. This photo is from the original owner.



His Dad bought and picked it up while he was in Vietnam. Something that I've obtained that the original owner has not seen, is a copy of the Motion work Order listing all the Phase III items put on this car. The full sales price of my car from Baldwin was $6,481.72. Another example of cost is the full sales price on the Yellow LS7 Phase III Camaro at $6,193.90. These prices appear to be $1,500 to $2,000 more than a Yenko or Copo due to the additional High Performance equipment.

Besides the Motion cars I own, I have a considerable amount of paperwork for other Motion cars as well. Also have paperwork for a couple Motion cars that I believe are not known by others, except maybe Joel.

[sixtiesmuscle]

How about comparing the times of the two cars in question as driven by the same driver [say Grumpy Jenkins or Ronnie Sox] on the same track, same day, same track conditions? Give him a few trial runs to get the feel of each car. Then see what times are possible with each car.

[Belair62]

Guys...a car that has been tweaked with a hotter cam,headers,traction bars etc. would obviously be faster....who wins the race is not necessarily the faster car...I'm not talking professional drivers...think about back in the day when you ran up against a faster car or you had the faster car and you won/lost because of your driving skills.I was talking about a race...not what it says on paper !

[SuperCars]

Bob you are 100% correct. But it would take Dick Harrell driving the Yenko/COPO, and someone's Grandma driving the Phase III car for that to happen. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
(I'm only teasing now, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] so don't get mad at me.)

[copo9566aa]

Supercars
It is difficult to see the hood tach on this original pictures with the stinger Hood. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[SuperCars]

Yes, I can see it better in my photo here. It is the yellow bulge right in line with the tail light of the station wagon in the background. It is listed on the Motion work order: Hood Tach-$75.00 (installed).

[Belair62]

Kevin.....so you are saying Sixtiesmuscle needs to be driving the B/M car ? Give him the Phase III car and I will bring my 97 Explorer...after he wakes up I will be a mile away !

[sixtiesmuscle]

Ouch. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[sixtiesmuscle]

If you're talking about the real world of olden days street racing, like in the 60s & early 70s, around Chicago most of it was done "from a roll". That could have been from 20 or 30 MPH, depending on what was agreed upon. It was less conspicuous to the cops, and, gave some people distinct advantages. It also took a lot of the skill out of driving, so, if you knew where your car would spin the least, and, could "punch it" and go straight, then raw horsepower would rule.