69 Yenko Camaro, Milwaukee WI area

[MotownMadman]

Toner, you ever fight for your country? Terrorism is an act of killing and injuring inocent people who have nothing to do with the twisted unworthy cause they are fighting for. Considering I am about the most Patriotic person you will ever meet, and I have fought for your freedoms, I take offense to that remark. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and even though I may not agree with your opinion, I would fight to the death your right to express it. The line is crossed however when your opinion includes personal attacks and namecalling on someone you dont even know. I have stated here you have rights I believe in, I will not call you any names to bring myself to your level, but labeling me a terrorist was way out of line considering the current state of affairs in the world. High pressure sales techniques take place all over the country, do you refer to your local car salesman as a terrorist for using high pressure techniques, I think not. I welcome your opinion but you might want to choose a better choice of words.
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[Chevy454]

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High pressure sales techniques take place all over the country, do you refer to your local car salesman as a terrorist for using high pressure techniques, I think not.

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Boy, I don't know...I've called the salesman that sold my wife and I our first new car a LOT worse than that! No kiss, no lube, just a hard way to go. Kind of reminds me of that Mountain Dew commercial: "Tommy, we got hosed!" The bad thing is, we still OWN that mistake!

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[MotownMadman]

Rob, the car being a bad one wasnt the salesmens fault, you probebly bought a Monday car where half the plant was absent and the other half were hung over! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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[Chevy454]

Oh, the car isn't the problem, it was the salesman and the dealership that was the problem. I called one evening before closing after I found the car we REALLY wanted (black Malibu), the dealership said they had it, I told them I'd be there in the morning, but that it was 3 hours away (Branson). So, I call again at 7am before I leave, they still have it, I tell them I'll take it but I gotta drive it first, so we head out, get there and the car is sitting out front. Go in to take a drive, "Sorry, some guy already bought the car for his daughter". Nice. I get back in the car, but the wife is dragging behind, and the salesman lays his pitch on her. Make a long story short, we got a different Malibu, which was more expensive, had less options, and the car we traded in was sold before we signed the paperwork! I wanted a keyless entry installed, paid for it ahead of time, but they told me to come back. Went back, they said it was gonna cost me, finally get them to "remember" I pre-paid, but the best they will do is have a stereo place install an aftermarket unit...only took them 6 months to do that! Then, they have the BALLS to call up wanting me to fill out some surveys and such about how "great" it was working with them! I told them what I thought, and that was the last I heard from them.

Yet the Malibu remains!

[MotownMadman]

Rob, I am quite sure you have some civil recourse in this matter, and the difference in that salesman and the way I will approach the owner of this Camaro is different in the respect that I will not lie to the guy, and whatever deal we make will be honored on both sides no matter how long it takes for me to pick up the car since I am sure it wont fit in my saddlebags! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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[hvychev]

Man, Motown what has come over you today!!?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Last night on the Mustang site you were a great ploitician and today over here you are a bully! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I wish I was that guy that had that Yenko because I to am 6' 2" 275 lbs and I would love some biker to try and strong arm me because all they would leave with would leave with would be a handfull of teeth and maybe a busted nose!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

BTW Mo you still know that you are my guy right?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Mr R Clary sounds like you were dealing with a bad bunch. The car being sold when you got there is not that unfair though. Car dealers can not hold cars. What if when you got there and did not like the numbers and didn't buy it? Then that guy that they ended up selling the car to would have already been gone because they told him they were holding the car from someone else and as a result the dealer would have lost two sales instead of one. You would have left and the other guy probably would have bought down the street by then. Was this a new car? If it was why in the world would you drive three hours to by a new one. A late model Malibu is a dime a dozen and could be bought at any local Chevy dealer. As far as pricing goes all dealers pay the same for the new cars weather it be in California or Maine. Car sales are so competive that all you had to do is tell them that the dealer down the street was going to sell it to you for X amout of dollars and you want them to match it.

[Belair62]

Yeah well my dad was bigger than your dad....

[MotownMadman]

Frank, I dont remeber saying anywhere I was going to bully the guy to sell his car... See, that is the automatic assumption people arrive at in this country when you think of 35 bikers in a club. Frank, when is the last time you went on a blood run or toy run with all your friends to help those in need? Would you guys think I would get off my bike and start pounding on this guy about his car without speaking to him in a polite straightforward manner first? Possibly the right personality has not asked him to sell his car yet. Maybe all it would take is someone he knew was talking to him straight instead of him possibly thinking someone was trying to beat him out of it, and not in a physical way. Maybe all it would take would be a trip to the bar with a bunch of fun loving war veterans and a little blond hottie in black leather to sit on his lap and persuade him in a different way. There are a multitude of approaches that can be used in a situation like this, every avenue could be explored to achieve the desired result. It took me seven months to get my Shelby TA car from the man who was part of the Shelby race team and owned the car since 69. All the Ford and Shelby guys tried for 12 years and the owner would not so much as let anyone look at it nor would he talk about it. It took time and perserverance to buy that car and nobody was bullied, yet it sits in the garage of a Chevy guy who could barely speak the owners Ford language. Where there is a will there is a way, and what you guys are doing here is just making me more determined. I will buy the car, and I am willing to place a substantial wager on that out come with anyone here on this board. I love nothing more then a good challenge, I have saved many a important piece of automotive history from the scrap yard in the past, and almost all were not for sale. If I had to guess I would say this guy has not sold this car due to the fact that he may not have much of a life and he enjoys the attention it brings him. It may take no more then having a nice Harley with us for him to ride himself to the local tavern, it only takes doing that once to be addicted and you get attention every where you go. When he finds out he has the option of keeping the Harley for the car...maybe thats the answer. My point is there are a multitude of options that could get the job done, I dont believe it would ever come to having to act like the "bikers" that hollywood portrays us to be to the rest of the world. I may not get the car on the first visit, but I will get the car as long as he dosent dispose of it in any way before I have the opportunity to sway his stubborn tragic way of thinking. I spent many years as a young man beating people with my fists as well as being beat(mostly other bikers), but in my later wiser years I have learned to use my mind vs my hands. It is all a matter of ones problem solving skills combined with patience. Then, if all else fails, more unrefined tactics may be in order. I havent even seen this car, it may be so far gone it is beyond repair without a rebody, which I want no part of. If that is the case I will throw flowers on the hood, write down the VIN#, and be on my way. But hey Frank, I love a good scrap with my friends, if ya want I will meet ya down at the clubhouse in Chicago and we can fight and drink together! Geez, now I have been called a Bully and a Terrorist, and the funny part is, no matter what tactic I used to buy the car, a lot of guys here would line up to buy it and not care about how I got it as long as I had car and Title in hand!
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