Unrestored 67 Camaro L78 pics

[Kurt S]

Originally Posted by 1967 4K

Looks gloss to me. 😎

Interesting. I would have said this clearly shows that the tail panel wasn't full gloss. The front stripe is full gloss - look at the reflection of the camera. Same camera is barely visible in the tail panel shot, and the other reflections are not clear either.

[L72copocamaro]

Originally Posted by Kurt S

Interesting. I would have said this clearly shows that the tail panel wasn't full gloss. The front stripe is full gloss - look at the reflection of the camera. Same camera is barely visible in the tail panel shot, and the other reflections are not clear either.

Astute observation.

[Zedder]

Originally Posted by Kurt S

Interesting. I would have said this clearly shows that the tail panel wasn't full gloss. The front stripe is full gloss - look at the reflection of the camera. Same camera is barely visible in the tail panel shot, and the other reflections are not clear either.

I posted the two pics together, because I had the same observation.

[Steve Shauger]

I think the debate has been the percentage of gloss. The tail panel blackout paint is not the same as full gloss used for stripes. The degree of gloss used on tail panels I believe was about 75%. The blackout can be polished and can change to a higher gloss. There are other factors as mentioned. The bottom to me is that there were two distinct paints applied.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by Steve Shauger

I think the debate has been the percentage of gloss. The tail panel blackout paint is not the same as full gloss used for stripes. The degree of gloss used on tail panels I believe was about 75%. The blackout can be polished and appear can change to a higher gloss. There are other factors as mentioned. The bottom to me is that there were two distinct paints applied.

I thought the debate was between various survivor cars all presenting with differing shine/gloss on the rear panel?

There is no doubt at all that it was a different paint from the stripes.

[Kurt S]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

I thought the debate was between various survivor cars all presenting with differing shine/gloss on the rear panel?

There is no doubt at all that it was a different paint from the stripes.

I have definitely seen people arguing that the rear could be full gloss.
I agree, it's two different paints.

[Charley Lillard]

All orig. cars sitting next to each other.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by Charley Lillard

All orig. cars sitting next to each other.

Well here it is. The best evidence you can get. We trust survivors for literally everything else, fits, finishes, numbers, dates, photographs, data, and the people who did the work. Say what you want about Lillard but he follows where the facts lead.

Originally Posted by cook_dw

AMEN! It's funny how everyone wants to be right or wants to prove others wrong. Who really cares? Paint it what YOU think it should be and get the car finish and enjoy the damn thing. Life's too short.

As is human nature there is always the motivation of individuals with skin in the game with perfect interpretively restored cars.

I have seen people who otherwise should be fast friends become bitter because of the competition between who's interpretive restoration is more "correct" when in reality both examples are prefect examples of a custom car.

These are nearly always consensus built restorations.

A person who restores a consensus car (and the system that created the consensus determination in the first place) is typically the toughest to change when the facts are presented.

Why? because money is involved.

Each and every time at MCACN when I had the Norwood ambassadors with me and we approached a show perfect restoration -- the owners who were present with the car became disinterested in speaking to them when near their cars. This phenomenon literally became the "elephant in the room" later at dinner as a discussion point between the group.

The agreement between the Norwood workers was universal.

Each restored car was no longer original because the fit and finish and attention to detail vastly exceeded anything built within the factory and the people who own these cars literally do not want to hear that.

So yea I agree "get the car finished and enjoy the damn thing" but the survivors will always tell all of us the truth whether we desire to believe it or not.

[Pro Stock John]

Originally Posted by Charley Lillard

All orig. cars sitting next to each other.

Nice, even got some orange peel looks like. Those are some honest pics.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by Kurt S

Interesting. I would have said this clearly shows that the tail panel wasn't full gloss. The front stripe is full gloss - look at the reflection of the camera. Same camera is barely visible in the tail panel shot, and the other reflections are not clear either.

That's because the front stripe was painted in a different place on the paint line with a different paint altogether and then received additional cosmetic attention between reflow ovens. It was buffed with the front end.